Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:22:35 -0400
Reply-To: "Horace K. Sawyer" <firestream@MINDSPRING.COM>
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From: "Horace K. Sawyer" <firestream@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Sticker BALONEY --rebuttal
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Oh for crying out loud get over it, Karl! : ) The low blow to Brent was
at least partially an attempt at humor, (it was funny, at least in a ironic
sort of way) but it was true. Maybe it was too low for the list. We are
mostly adults here.
Us listees may not be helping with true, but we are indeed curious.
Curious if nothing else about why the fuss and then production seems
stalled to grinding halt. So, our questions are answered. We will wait
happily. Or, happily we will wait. We will wait and see. We will just
forget about it until the stickers get here.
So Karl, don't be mad, get glad.
I already apologized to Brent anyway.
Thank you, all of you, for doing this project. It just sure would be nice
to have those stickers. I plan on selling them at a substantial profit,
and I need them NOW. Money is tight these days.
HK
--------
But wait a darn minute here!
Now I'm pissed too. I am really pissed. You are accusing ME of driving
Ken off the project? Why that is insane! It's libelous, slanderous, and
disingenuous, and not even a nice thing to say to my genus. I no more
drove Ken off the project than his mother-in-law did. Ken is a busy man.
Much busier than normal people. Besides, Ken is a leader. With all of you
in charge, that left no room at the top. That's what drove Ken off the
project according to my sources. I don't want to have to address this
again, understand? Don't make me have to send somebody up there to
straighten things out.
<attempting to cool off>
No apology necessary, just drop it. My blood pressure can't take another
hit today.
HK
aloha again
At 06:30 PM 5/2/00 -0700, Karl Wolz wrote:
>Horace,
>
>I've had pleasant e-conversations with you in the past, and hope to in the
>future.
>
>Right now, I'm pissed. We've been working our butts off on this project,
>and quite deliberately keeping it off Gerry, since, as you may recall, there
>was nothing but bitching from the general membership over "wasted
>bandwidth".
>
>It was announced several (many) times that all conversations relevant to the
>stickers would be held at another site. I personally do NOT recall
>receiving any offers volunteering help from Mr. Schiemer? on any forum. If
>he were that interested in helping, one would think he would have made
>enough of an effort to reach us that one of us would have remembered it.
>
>The sticker has just finished a test run, and I have taken photos for
>comparative purposes. It is about to be released. Since the entire effort
>was done by volunteers, we have been able to keep the price down to under $4
>per PAIR. If you would like to donated what it would have cost to have it
>done by professionals, please feel free to do so.
>
>The comment on brakes WAS a cheap shot, and I'm surprised you would stoop so
>low as to deliver it. I'll reserve any other comments on that subject,
>other than to say it was folks like you and Mr. Schiemer who drove Ken from
>finishing this project himself.
>
>Karl Wolz.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Horace K. Sawyer" <firestream@MINDSPRING.COM>
>To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:28 PM
>Subject: Re: Sticker BALONEY
>
>
>> Hey Brent, I'm not the one who is FED UP. : /
>>
>> Obviously that poor dude is. He seemed to have a valid point, especially
>> with him being experienced in that type of business and receiving no
>> replies to his offers to assist. Sounds pretty discourteous on the face
>of
>> it. But, having said that, maybe it would be appropriate to solicit his
>> help at this time since the project seems to be going at a snail's pace.
>> Maybe even an apology to the gentleman (dude). Maybe eat some crow, how
>> 'bout it.
>>
>> Besides, we don't want our new stickers to experience the same problems
>you
>> had after your own recent brake job disaster. : ) Maybe professional
>help
>> would be worth it . . .
>>
>> Sorry, couldn't resist the spike shot ---
>>
>> HK
>> aloha
>
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