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Date:         Tue, 9 May 2000 15:16:53 -0400
Reply-To:     Bulley <gmbulley@BULLEY-HEWLETT.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Bulley <gmbulley@BULLEY-HEWLETT.COM>
Subject:      Are the new tanks metal or poly??: BusDepot Fuel Tank,
              have you installed one?
Comments: To: Tobin Copley <tobin.copley@UBC.CA>

Are the replacement tanks steel or poly? I vastly prefer the poly tank like Jetta/Golfs have. Smart. Light. No rust. Malleable, but snaps back. Does the South Afrikan Van have a poly or steel tank?

If Ron's aren't polyethylene, does anyone know of an aftermarket poly tank manufacturer that would make an injection mold for our beloved??

G. Matthew Bulley Bulley-Hewlett Corporate Communications Counselors www.bulley-hewlett.com Mount Olive, NC USA 877.658.1278 tollfree

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-----Original Message----- From: Tobin Copley [SMTP:tobin.copley@UBC.CA] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 2:47 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: BusDepot Fuel Tank, have you installed one?

At 9:45 AM -0700 5/9/00, Doktor Tim wrote: >Will the stock part function as intended if properly installed? Yes!! >Will the aftermarket item function as designed? Maybe yes, maybe no??

I just did a fuel tank replacement using an aftermarket tank from California Imports up here in the Vancouver, BC area. Their source may or may not be the same as Ron's so my experience may or may not relate. But, FWIW, while I had expected a tank to be a tank to be a tank, I discovered that the aftermarket tank lacks the baffles present in the OEM tank, allowing fuel to slosh from side to side. Not that big a deal usually, except when making right hand turns or parking on a left-leaning slope on anything less than 1/4 tank. Then the fuel pump is starved for fuel and the engine quits, and it won't run again until the bus is stopped or levelled enough to let fuel slosh over the fuel outlet again. This is pretty inconvenient, especially in heavy traffic, on a bridge, during rush hour, trying to make a ferry, with wife and two kids and a 1/2 cord of wood in the back--not that I'd know anything about that...

>Will the stock part fit? Yes!! >Will the aftermarket item fit? Maybe yes, maybe no??

Mine fit perfectly.

>Will the stock part last as long as the original? Yes!! >Will the aftermarket item last as long as the genuine article? Rarely!! >Will you save time/money over the long haul with Genuine parts? Yes!! >Will you save time/money over the long haul with wannabe parts? Rarely!!

Hard to say. The tank I got was about 20% the dealer's price--and the aftermarket tank wasn't exactly dirt cheap, either. If you can keep the tank above 1/4 full, you'd be happy.

>The answer to your question will be hard to come by, 'cause no one who went >the cheap route and had poor results will want to admit same. They will go >to great lenghts to justify the wisdom of their compromises. Any problems >that develop will surely be blamed on something/someone else.

The good Dr. correctly identifies a source of population sampling and response bias, but here I am, giving an honest assessment. And you know what? Even though pulling the tank is a bear, I'm going to try to return the baffle-less tank to CaliImports, and have my old OEM tank renewed (I had the foresight to hold on to it). So am I eating crow about aftermarket parts? Maybe, at least as far as tanks are concerned. At least I know what to look for if I ever replace a tank again. I may buy another aftermarket tank, but without the baffles, I'm not buying.

I've used aftermarket part for years on all the vehicles I've owned, and very seldom have i had a problem with them. The fine Dr. makes a very good point regarding the hassle of replacing inferior parts, and looking back, my willingness to use aftermarket parts is inversely proportional to the difficulty in doing the part replacement. An aftermarket muffler is one thing, but do you really want to scrimp on, say, timing belts? If the part gives out quick, cost of replacing the *part* is the least of your worries.

If I lived closer to Ron (where shipping a tank would be practical), and his tanks had baffles, I think I'd order an aftermarket from him. I'd like to support list vendors more, but a combination of shipping costs, customs hassles, and the exchange rate make it pretty difficult for this west coast Canadian much of the time.

Just my CDN$0.02...

T. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tobin Copley Bowen Island, BC, Canada tobin.copley@ubc.ca

'82 westy 1.6L NA diesel ("Stinky") '97 son Russell ============= '99 daughter Margaret /_| |__| |__|:| clatter 1995: 'Round US, Mexico, Canada 15,000 mi O|. .| clatter! 1996: Vancouver to Inuvik, NWT 7,400 km ~-()-==----()-~ Previous buses: '76 westy deluxe (Daisy), '76 westy standard (Mango)


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