Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:35:52 -0500
Reply-To: "Mark B. Magee" <condor2@flash.net>
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From: "Mark B. Magee" <condor2@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Toilet paper filter is better
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Terry, Volks, et. al,
I have been using "Toilet Paper Roll" filters for coming up on 14 years
now, on all vehicles. I have owned over 7 vehicles (7 VWs) and have
-never- changed the oil on any of them. I have had nothing but clean oil
as proven by engine oil analysis, and engines that have just kept
going/going/going.
These filters are hard to find, the whole thing was started by the Frantz
filter out of California in the late 1940's. The reason they have never
been accepted industry wide is due to: 1) the Oil companies slamming the
concept and 2) Oil (Dino) is CHEAP.
With the advent of superior synthetic lubricants and increasing
environmental, there may be a resurgence of this well proven technology.
Advantages:
1) Oil filtered down to 1 micron, not even H2O will pass.
2) Synthetic lubes can be used "indefinitely", that is if your vehicle
sumps 5 quarts, you will change the filter element every 3-5K miles and
lose 1 qt to the element saturation. Therefore over 5 element changes, you
will have added 5 qts to a 5 qt sumped system. So in reality the oil is
being changed, but very slowly.
3) Oil analysis has consistently proven that these type filters do thier
job, efficiently removing all combustion contaminants. It is amazing to
unroll one of the TP elements and see the flecks of carbon and barely
visible flecks of aluminum (all engines make a little metal!).
I only run the best synthetics, and now these (I use Royal Purple) really
shine for this expensive lube doesn't have to be dumped every 3-5-7K
miles. BIG money saver.
I could go on forever as I used to market these filters, but alas, the
time required to explain all this is not worth the profit for a small
business man. So don't ya'll post me up any questions! Look up T.F.
Purifiner, Gulf Coast Filters, and Amsoil, they all make derivatives of
the submicronic oil filters. They all require a little installation. You
can also look up Frantz filter and see if anyone is stills selling them.
I used to market different varieties of these filters for I know they work,
but the sales effort for the return I found it to not have been worth my time.
This does take alot of explaining for it flies in the face everything Big Oil
has been telling us for nearly 100 years.
Mark "Never an oil Change" Magee 90 Carat
Kemah TX USA
John 14:6
PS (If any are interested, I -might- be able to get a one-time purchase of the
Old Stilko filters I marketed as Engine Oil Purifiers: These are screw ons for
the Vanagon and take the place of the existing filter: NO Installation. The
unit itself breaks down for element removal and TP roll replacement. To me
this is the best of all the designs as it has a by-pass valve in it, set for
approx 9PSI, similar to cartridge type. These are all-aluminum units. Let me
know, I am not sure of the availability. Last time I sold them the were about
$220.00 USD's. They have been on all my vanagons including the Diesel Westy I
sold a few years back.)
Terry Kay wrote:
> Alright, ok , let's say this filter media is better.
> And let's say, that some Vanagonite, with, let's say, 150,000 miles on
> their engine, install's one of these miracle filters.
> I would venture to say that because of the high miles on the engine, the
> oil pressure is not going to be up to factory spec's, and by trying to
> push the oil through this TP filter, the oil pump is going to have one
> hell of a time circulating oil, not only through the engine, but through
> this do-dad too. Just think of how thick a roll of toilet paper is!
> And now you want to push oil through it?
> Now we go to oil samples.
> I would like to see the results of a oil analysis, where you never have
> changed your oil.
> There would have to be so much acid's and sulfur's in the oil, it would
> make you gag.
> No filter, removes these!
> And then, I would like to see the inside of the engine, after let's say,
> 50 or 60, thousand miles.
> Yuck!
> I can see the sludge now!
> Years ago I knew a guy who believed in never changing his oil in his
> Caddy, and he traded them off every 4 years.
> Well, the valve cover's were leaking, and he asked me to change the
> gasket's
> There was so much sludge inside those cover's, I had to shovel them out,
> with a back-hoe!
> I have changed valve cover gasket's on engines I've owned, and because
> of frequent oil & filter changes, the inside looks as good as new.
> Why do the guys that race cars,boats, airplanes, whatever, change their
> oil every race?
> Because,oil breaks down, under load!
> I know this is extreme, but under excessive heat , and fuel wash,
> situations, oil fails, even the most expensive synthetic's!
> And no "Miracle filter" is going to alter this fact of life.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Toilet paper filter is better
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:09:19 -0700
> From: Zoltan Kuthy <zol@foxinternet.net>
> To: CTONLINE@webtv.net
> CC: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> References: <9141-394E6A38-14234@storefull-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
>
> Much better. Much much better. Adding this feature to your car is just
> one of those things we do here when we upgrade, improve, pretty up,
> sophisticate, perfect our precious friends. It is a casing where the
> cartridge goes into every two years or so.
> The purpose is simple;the filter is about ten times more efficient than
> ordinary ones with all the big hype. The hype works, you buy. Oil is
> cheep here, cars are cheep, we like to change cars often, we don't want a
> car that works forever, subconsciously we have no need to improve on
> better filtering therefore we ignore these kind of calls. "Only in
> America" say a man who can relate to the whole World. Keeping the oil
> purified and new indefinitely is an important issue for the trucking
> industry. Or even the taxies.
> In times of war it would be probably compulsory to install to save oil for
> the country.
> Right now the more oil you buy the better. The more engine you buy or
> recondition the better. The more car you buy the better. Better for the
> big boys club who can own your paycheck. If this thing gets a little
> popular they will run anti-advertising on it.
> If you take the trouble and look into the performance of these cartridge
> filters you would not believe the numbers. You would think that they are
> made up advertising, embellished,
> false, ridiculous, the usual seen on TV. You buy one and never again.
> Not this. If you want your oil to be clean always and don't mind to pay a
> few bucks more the first time when you pay for the casing, you will never
> regret it. And you can keep the same oil in when you change the filter.
> You don't have to let the oil out again, take to the disposal place, mess
> with it. Changing the cartridge is but a minute of clean job. Boring I
> know.
> Having gotten used to changing oil every few weeks - that is what it feels
> like - is so imbedded in the mind of the whole populace that they can not
> change for something that big brother is not telling them to do. TV is
> still God. Just look at the quality of the stuff you buy in the auto
> supply stores compared to what the professionals buy. Especially tools.
> There is no comparison. Even if you can afford it you can not buy the
> best. You really really have to get out of your way and into somebody
> else's to lay your hands on great classy stuff. This is for the pros
> too. If the little guy buys it great. But the real big saving is for the
> trucking industry and the likes where millions are spent on the actual oil
> and its disposal while the price of the cartridge is less than the old
> filter is. They can work it out in a few minutes what is that huge saving
> in down time, man hours, disposal fees, loss of business, savings on
> filters, multiplying engine life, saving of buying new engines or
> reconditioning them, keeping extra number of mechanics etc. The little
> guy likes to bond with his toy and wants to be needed by it, therefore he
> can't wait to be on hand and do whatever this faithful partner needs. The
> more often the better. This need is stronger then the fact that the
> engine loves to bath in clean oil that has no friction of large particles
> in it.
> Old habits are hard to break. Remember the thread we had once where
> somebody complained that VW did not want to guarantee the car if he
> changes oil more often then 10 000 miles. Guys like to make love to their
> cars in one way or another. Less of those disappointments I guess.
> I think I have given a little more than the subject deserved.
> Zoltan
> Few Westies from the '80s.
> Terry Kay wrote:
>
> > These things have been around for years,and why would anybody want to
> > extend their oil change intervals, when it by itself is the one most
> > important thing to guarantee engine longevity?
> > I feel that it is just another "snake oil" gizmo, that will do nothing
> > more than shorten your engine life.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> >
> > Terry
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