Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 02:50:20 -0400
Reply-To: Dominique Cormann <ml@kozmik.guelph.on.ca>
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From: Dominique Cormann <ml@kozmik.guelph.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Toilet paper filter is better
In-Reply-To: <6467-394EBE70-3032@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
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I'm actually hosting the pictures from the user on freds tdi forum. You
can few the pictures on my web site. See my signature for the address
to the web site.
I have to make some corrections here concerning this topic.
1. TP will remove acid upto a point, it helps while a normal filter
does nothing in this area.
2. You still dump the oil, you just keep it in much longer. This allows
you to make using expensive synthetic oil more cost effective.
Synthetic oil will not turn to sludge since it doesn't oxidize like
normal dino oils - as easily at least. Also the additive packages in
good synthetic oils ( NOT ALL ) are much beefier since they are
designed for extended use.
3. Its just common sense. Better filtering equals less engine wear.
4. You don't have to worry about oil pressure, since you still keep the
orginal oil filter. This is called a bypass system. Oil still goes
through the normal filter, but some oil bypasses and is filtered in the
lower micron depth filter. That way as the filter gets closer to
needing to be changed it doesn't starve the engine of oil.
5. Depth filters come in all different kinds. TP filters must be
changed OFTEN, and since you top up your oil when you change the filter,
this becomes another reason why you can extend the oil drain time -
your always adding some new oil ( changing filter every 3000 miles, add
500 ml of new oil ). Larger commercial depth filters, like the ones
from amsoil get changed at much longer drain intervals.
This stuff works. If it didn't they would not be used by large OTR
trucks. Large engine manufacturers will extend your warrenty if you
choose the option of using the optional depth bypass filter systems
they offer. Engines that normally see a million miles of use, will
normally see double that life span between rebuilds, and the cost
savings in oil very quickly pays for the optional filtering, after only
a few oil changes...
It just doesn't always make sense for us, since we don't keep our cars
for those kinds of miles...our engines usually outlast the body of the
cars, or die from something else that better filtering wouldn't help.
On my site you can see the oil analysis data that the owner did to make
sure he was okay extending his oil drain times.
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:44:32 -0500
Terry Kay <CTONLINE@webtv.net> wrote:
> Alright, ok , let's say this filter media is better.
> And let's say, that some Vanagonite, with, let's say, 150,000 miles on
> their engine, install's one of these miracle filters.
> I would venture to say that because of the high miles on the engine, the
> oil pressure is not going to be up to factory spec's, and by trying to
> push the oil through this TP filter, the oil pump is going to have one
> hell of a time circulating oil, not only through the engine, but through
> this do-dad too. Just think of how thick a roll of toilet paper is!
> And now you want to push oil through it?
> Now we go to oil samples.
> I would like to see the results of a oil analysis, where you never have
> changed your oil.
> There would have to be so much acid's and sulfur's in the oil, it would
> make you gag.
> No filter, removes these!
> And then, I would like to see the inside of the engine, after let's say,
> 50 or 60, thousand miles.
> Yuck!
> I can see the sludge now!
> Years ago I knew a guy who believed in never changing his oil in his
> Caddy, and he traded them off every 4 years.
> Well, the valve cover's were leaking, and he asked me to change the
> gasket's
> There was so much sludge inside those cover's, I had to shovel them out,
> with a back-hoe!
> I have changed valve cover gasket's on engines I've owned, and because
> of frequent oil & filter changes, the inside looks as good as new.
> Why do the guys that race cars,boats, airplanes, whatever, change their
> oil every race?
> Because,oil breaks down, under load!
> I know this is extreme, but under excessive heat , and fuel wash,
> situations, oil fails, even the most expensive synthetic's!
> And no "Miracle filter" is going to alter this fact of life.
>
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