Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:13:45 -0400
Reply-To: Dominique Cormann <ml@kozmik.guelph.on.ca>
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From: Dominique Cormann <ml@kozmik.guelph.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Toilet paper filter is better
In-Reply-To: <003a01bfda95$89983860$c19a183f@amy>
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Again this is a common misunderstanding.
All of these setups are BYPASS setups, thus you loose no oil pressure.
If the TP filter to clog, no would go to it, it would just all go to
your normal filter.
Only some oil goes to the secondary filter, while most is still routed
to the normal filter.
Combine this filter setup with synthetic oil meant for extended drain
use, and you have a VERY cost effective setup. Add in the fact that the
engine will now at least double its normal operating life, and you
increase the cost savings. Then add in the lower maintenance time,
especially if you pay to do change your oil, and your saving even more.
TP filters do not work well in cold climates though, since the oil gets
to thick in the TP, until the oil warms up. So for short trips you'd be
only filtering with the normal filter.
For people who live in colder climates a normal depth filter works
better. Amsoil and other companies make bypass depth filters kits.
On freds TDI list you can find people who have installed both types,
with pictures to show you how they set them up and oil analysis results
to show that the oil was still good after very long extended oil drain
times.
Anti wear additives in the oil get used up with friction...less
friction, from less metal particles in the oil results in less zinc and
other anti wear additives being used up as fast, and the oil analysis
numbers confirm that even after numbers like 60,000 miles the oil still
has near new quantities of its oil additive package and oxidation
numbers show that the oil is still not breaking down ( when synthetic
oil is used ).
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:57:16 -0400
Puzerewski <Puzerewski@email.msn.com> wrote:
> Oil is organic, and over time and exposure to heat, sloses its lubricating
> qualities. I have the problem with my vanagon that if i run a fram oil
> filter, when i drop to idle from say, 70mph, my red oil pressure light comes
> on. I have to run a stock filter for this not to happen. The thickness of
> the TP filter would starve my oil pump.
>
> Adam Puzerewski
> 81 westy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry Kay" <CTONLINE@webtv.net>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [VANAGON] Toilet paper filter is better
>
>
> > Alright, ok , let's say this filter media is better.
> > And let's say, that some Vanagonite, with, let's say, 150,000 miles on
> > their engine, install's one of these miracle filters.
> > I would venture to say that because of the high miles on the engine, the
> > oil pressure is not going to be up to factory spec's, and by trying to
> > push the oil through this TP filter, the oil pump is going to have one
> > hell of a time circulating oil, not only through the engine, but through
> > this do-dad too. Just think of how thick a roll of toilet paper is!
> > And now you want to push oil through it?
> > Now we go to oil samples.
> > I would like to see the results of a oil analysis, where you never have
> > changed your oil.
> > There would have to be so much acid's and sulfur's in the oil, it would
> > make you gag.
> > No filter, removes these!
> > And then, I would like to see the inside of the engine, after let's say,
> > 50 or 60, thousand miles.
> > Yuck!
> > I can see the sludge now!
> > Years ago I knew a guy who believed in never changing his oil in his
> > Caddy, and he traded them off every 4 years.
> > Well, the valve cover's were leaking, and he asked me to change the
> > gasket's
> > There was so much sludge inside those cover's, I had to shovel them out,
> > with a back-hoe!
> > I have changed valve cover gasket's on engines I've owned, and because
> > of frequent oil & filter changes, the inside looks as good as new.
> > Why do the guys that race cars,boats, airplanes, whatever, change their
> > oil every race?
> > Because,oil breaks down, under load!
> > I know this is extreme, but under excessive heat , and fuel wash,
> > situations, oil fails, even the most expensive synthetic's!
> > And no "Miracle filter" is going to alter this fact of life.
> >
> >
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