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Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:46:44 -0600
Reply-To:     Dave Williams <davew@larrl.ars.usda.gov>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Dave Williams <davew@larrl.ars.usda.gov>
Subject:      Re: FW: ATF/MMO
In-Reply-To:  <01BFF725.DB68EAC0@mbulley.vtc.csc.com>
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I certianly do not find the information in Bulley's sig file offensive. I am not saying that I agree or disagree with it. I simply ignore it and most of the other "flotsam and jetsam" attached at the bottom of email. If you are going to disallow it then you need to start banning people who use the "free" email systems that automatically append advertisement at the bottom of the message. His sig file along with the advertising is part of what greases the wheels of the internet.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong

Dave Williams

No personal agenda just yet: Watch this space for future developments!

-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Bulley Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 3:21 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: FW: ATF/MMO

I'm guessing the list got a new admin while I was off list? Or was someone just feeling a bit testy?

Sorry my sig.file offends you Steve. It won't be changing, so if you are the new admin, I'll be outta here. Let me know.

G. Matthew Bulley Bulley-Hewlett Mount Olive, NC USA 877.658.1278 Tollfree www.bulley-hewlett.com

My Agenda: Stop Suburban Sprawl. My Methods: Revitalize older, highly-dense, urban towns. Champion mass/rapid transit and fast Internet service to these towns. Demand replacement of archaic, "separationist" zoning laws with neo-traditional dense/mixed use zoning. The Result: All Americans obtain superior living opportunities; sprawl is restrained; and dense, beautiful, interlinked towns become our children's inheritance. Find out more at http://www.cnu.org

-----Original Message----- From: Steve Grayer [SMTP:sgrayer@abwatley.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 5:11 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: FW: ATF/MMO

<< File: ATT00016.htm >> << File: sgrayer.vcf >> DEAR FELLOW VANAGON ENTHUSIAST-

PLEASE KEEP YOUR PERSONAL AGENDA TO THE APPROPRIATE FORUM. I'M SURE YOU ARE WELL MEANING IN SPREADING YOUR POINT OF VIEW- BUT I'M INTERESTED IN VANAGONS.

THANKS, STEVE

Matthew Bulley wrote:

> G. Matthew Bulley > Bulley-Hewlett > Mount Olive, NC USA > 877.658.1278 Tollfree > www.bulley-hewlett.com > > My Agenda: Stop Suburban Sprawl. > My Methods: Revitalize older, highly-dense, urban towns. Champion > mass/rapid transit and fast Internet service to these towns. Demand > replacement of archaic, "separationist" zoning laws with neo-traditional > dense/mixed use zoning. > The Result: All Americans obtain superior living opportunities; sprawl is > restrained; and dense, beautiful, interlinked towns become our children's > inheritance. > Find out more at http://www.cnu.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Bulley [SMTP:gmbulley@bulley-hewlett.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 4:00 PM > To: 'pokeswagon@blazenet.net' > Subject: RE: ATF/MMO > > Donna-- > > The guy who wrote the original post is a genius. ;-) wink. > > Joking aside, KW is good flush, as is Gold Eagle, and a couple of others. > The ATF/MMO method is prolly a bit less caustic, since the viscosity of > both ATF and MMO are greater than the kerosene-like flushes. > > The FLAP-jack has a good point though: if your motor is supremely filthy, > the quantity of crud loosened by ANY of these methods (including the > leave-in and drive around stuf) could cause more harm than good. If you > pull off a valve cover, and there is thick black gooey crud all over > everything, DON'T flush your motor. If it is a nice, translucent brown, > flush. > > In a previous life, I used to rebuild VW motors, and folks who used the old > formulation of Quaker State had serious black gook build up (I think it was > because the Pennsylvania crude was higher in paraffin. Flushing these > motors was a big no-no. > > Good luck > > G. Matthew Bulley > Bulley-Hewlett > Mount Olive, NC USA > 877.658.1278 Tollfree > www.bulley-hewlett.com > > My Agenda: Stop Suburban Sprawl. > My Methods: Revitalize older, highly-dense, urban towns. Champion > mass/rapid transit and fast Internet service to these towns. Demand > replacement of archaic, "separationist" zoning laws with neo-traditional > dense/mixed use zoning. > The Result: All Americans obtain superior living opportunities; sprawl is > restrained; and dense, beautiful, interlinked towns become our children's > inheritance. > Find out more at http://www.cnu.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: (Donna Cassano) [SMTP:pokeswagon@blazenet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 3:31 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: ATF/MMO > > Hi List, > > Let me tell you how the ATF/MMO treatment went, er -ah, didn't went. > > This is what I was going to do per an old posting to the List: > here's the post.... > << > Warm up motor by driving. > Drain engine oil. Change filter to any brand. > Refill with 1/2 & 1/2 engine oil and Automatic Transmission fluid, any > brand. > Start motor, BUT DO NOT DRIVE THE VAN!!!! > Allow the motor to idle, and rev it gently every once in a while (like > to > 2,000 rpm) for about 20 minutes. > Drain Oil. Change filter to MANN or VW brand filter (NO Fram, Autocrap, > AC > Smelco, etc.) > Refill with Castrol 20w50, and about 8-16 oz of Marvel Mystery Oil. > In 1,000 to 1,500 miles change your oil again and use a MANN or VW > filter. > Kiss your ticking lifter goodbye. > > The ATF is HIGHLY detergent, and will clean out the lifter. The Marvel > Mystery oil will continue the process. The good filter will prevent the > oil > from draining out of the lifters overnight. > After all of that is done, run a compression check to verify that you > don't have any bum valves. You prolly don't. > >> > > I went to my trusty friend Gil's shop to see if he could give me bay > space on this rainy day and when I told him what I was going to do he > tells me that he usually justs runs the KW engine flush and then adds > new oil. Said he does it with all his engines and it works great. > Quicker, easier, and less wasted oil. So I head to the local (?) > AutoZone to get a can of this stuff. The guy at AutoZone asks how many > miles do I have on the vehicle. I proudly say 180K. He goes, WOAH, you > don't want to use this stuff on a high mileage engine. Some of the junk > that's in there (my engine) is probably holding things together. Clear > out the junk and your gonna end up with leaks and troubles. Sells me > this much less expensive bottle of CD2 oil treatment that you add to > current oil, drive around a while up to 2000 miles), drain and refill > with your new oil. > > So now I'm totally confused. Tell me what to do List. I want the voice > of Vanagon experience. > > Is there any truth to the claim that the gunk is holding things together > in there? And if so, how does the CD2 know which gunk to clean out and > which gunk to leave alone? > What are the benefits to the AFT/MMO over the KW Engine Flush? My lifter > only taps occassionally and the van is just a little sluggish - should I > bother? > > Any experience is greatly appreciated. > TIA, > Peace - donna > '84 Westy (Pepe)


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