Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:23:13 PDT
Reply-To: Mark Dorm <mark_hb@hotmail.com>
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From: Mark Dorm <mark_hb@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 22D ECU Chip Upgrade: CREDIT CARD ONLY AT THIS POINT- TIL 4PM
EST MON 28t...
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Hey if this goes over well, would you be willing to do second run of ten
chips if us late comers want to join the party???
>From: Robert Lilley <Wolfvan88@aol.com>
>Reply-To: Wolfvan88@aol.com
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: 22D ECU Chip Upgrade: CREDIT CARD ONLY AT THIS POINT- TIL 4PM EST
> MON 28t...
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:32:59 EDT
>
>*****************************************
>At this point, with the order being placed at 6 PM Monday the 28th, credit
>card will only be accepted.
>
>*****************************************
>
>Info for those that missed it or did not read posts...
>
>
> ...Chip is socketed (not soldered), so swap should not be any problem.
>Just
> > make sure precautions are taken to guard against ESD (electrostatic
> > discharge). I think he mentioned there may be some sort of foil
>shielding
> > to clip through to get to the chip...
> >
> >
> > ...****Your ECU module part number _must_ end in "022D". The chip will
>not
> > work otherwise.
> >
> > The chip can be run without rockers for about a 10% power boost, but
>they
> > _strongly_ recommended against running rockers without the chip. Yes,
>you
> > get a larger power boost but you will end will end up with a _very_ rich
> > exhaust mixture. Apparently the airbox is 'overstimulated' with the
>ratio
> > rockers, and the _stock_ ECU cannot accurately process/calculate the
>proper
> > fuel ratios. The engine with the new chip (with/without ratio rockers)
> > should still pass the sniff test (!). The chip should have sufficient
> > capacity to handle additional headwork, cam changes and exhaust work
>(but
> > to what degree I did not fully explore). Even a three angle valve job
> > would be a worthwhile improvement. Richard did wisely recommend a valve
> > spring upgrade if one departs from the profile of the stock cam. They
> > faxed me a dyno printout (actually, the exact same one scanned in at
>Kyle
> > Wade's website) which shows an increase of rear wheel horsepower from
>about
> > 58 horsepower (stock) to about 62 horsepower (new chip only). The chip
> > with ratio rockers (1.4:1 I believe) gives about 85 horsepower at the
> > wheel. This chip was originally designed to add to their Vanagon Truck
> > used to tow their race car with tools, spares, etc, with their 'goal'
>being
> > a total increase of 10-15%. I guess they made it...
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I will need 10 buyers to confirm to making the purchase.
>I am finding out the total cost, shipping, insurance from Australia to US.
>
>I have a computer business that takes credit cards and the chip is a
>"computer upgrade."
>
>Options are:
>
>1) Buy the chip from the computer business. We would charge the credit
>card
>OR mail certified check to the computer business. Then the computer
>business
>will buy the lot of chips. When they arrive I will ship them to the
>buyers,
>with US postage. No sales tax unless you are in NC.
>
>2) If the company will do this.
>Buyer calls Australia, orders chip. If we get 10 it will be lower price,
>if
>not @$60 more. After a period of ordering time, the company will send the
>chips to me, who then will send then to individuals that ordered for the
>cost
>of shipping in US.
>
>3) You buy from the company and pay for international shipping rates.
>
>________________________________________________________
>
>Questions about the ECU Chip Upgrades- Answered....
>
>Performance Enhancements-DO they WORK and what will happen to my engine
>
>I am writing this message from a computer in Bozeman, Montana. I will be
>home later to fully respond to the number of emails that I have received.
>
>
>The main question is WHAT is the ECU chip upgrade going to do to my
>engine???
>
>Simply put, your engine will run better...
>
>Why you ask?
>
>The way the ECU responds to the various sensor signals is changed.
>Rather than start the engine lean and use the various sensors to correct
>the
>mixture to the proper ratio, as VW does, the Australian company, starts the
>mixture rich and use the sensors to correct the mixture to achieve the
>proper
>ratio.
>
>What will the effect then be on the engine?
>
>On a stock engine without the ratio rockers, there will be a small benefit,
>The engine will be able to make its power easier.
>If you add ratio rockers or other modifications, there will be a greater
>proportional increase in power.
>
>Consider a box that two people are pushing. One person can just push the
>box
>with all its strength and the other can push the box easily. The one that
>is
>pushing the box at the upper limits of their power will not be able to push
>as efficiently as the other will.
>
>I had a customized T4 2L engine in my 73' VW Bus. It had a Porsche 914
>hydraulic performance cam, Modified 914 racing exhaust, electronic ignition
>AND DUAL- DUAL Throat 36mm Dellorto carburetors. I was getting @20 mpg at
>@70 mph. The power was OK. I switched to LARGER 40mm carburetors. You
>would expect the mileage to decrease, BUT it increased to 30 mph at @70mph.
>It increased because the larger carburetors made the engine run more
>efficiently. I did not have to have my foot in the gas as long to get up
>to
>speed.
>
>In the same way, the ECU Chip should not decrease the mileage but maintain
>or
>even increase the mileage, Because the engine can now run more efficiently.
>The improvements made to the WBX engine have increased the power, the
>reliability and the efficiency all with an INCREASE in mileage.
>
>
>Will the life of my engine be cut short with the new chip?
>
>No, not unless you start driving like a mad person! The life of the engine
>can actually be increased. You would not have to run the RPMs up, shifting
>as high to increase speed. The engine can run cooler because it is not in
>such a lean, heat producing state.
>If you plan to add the chip, make sure all the FI parts are in good working
>order along with the engine.
>
>If you add the 1.25 ratio rockers, there could be some increased wear on
>the
>valve guides if swivel valve adjusters are not used. The 1.4 rockers have
>a
>offset arm so the valve guide should be similar to stock wear.
>
>I had my cam lift increased and added Rhino 1.25 ratio rockers with Rhino
>swivel rocker adjusting screws (911 style) Rather than go to 1.4 rockers.
>
>
>While adding just the ECU chip will get you a small increase in power (Some
>want just a small increase in power) If you want to gain additional HP add
>the various bolt on items discussed- air filter, muffler, ratio rockers,
>quad
>tip plugs, synthetic oil in engine and tranny. Still not enough, when
>rebuild
>time
> port intake, exhaust, increase cam one step, maybe two, counterweight
>crank,
>balance engine.
>
>90>100>115>130+
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>
> I have not added the chip yet.
> I wanted to add the modifications to my engine before the chip to see if
>I
>would need the chip. After running the modifications for 26,000 miles,
>while
>they run good, I think that the chip will enhance what Ihave done.
> I think that On a stock engine, unless the chip changes your current
>driving
>habits, there should not be a change for the worse in mileage. The engine
>will still be running at the correct ratio, but will be able to run better.
> I have raised my mileage from 18 mph to @25 mpg on flat to moderately
>hilly
>@75 mph while increasing my power. In the engine, I changed only the cam to
>a
>slightly bigger lift and duration increase and added ratio rockers. The
>rest
>is basically stock.
> I have been in email contact with the designer of the chip and thay have
>been using it in their delivery vanagon for about 6 years now with no
>troubles.
>
>
>________________________________________________________
>
>http://www.volks-motorsports.com/Chips-Rockers.html
>
>Here is the link to Dyno test results.
>
>
>You can run the chip without rockers to get a boost in power.
>
>
>____________________
>
>
><< Is this the same chip that we were
> going around about a couple of years ago? >>
>
>Yes, I have started to look for the supplier a few months ago. I had
>forgotten about the discussion. I ran across the chip when I went to the
>wrong year on the list and found the message and the web address.
>
><<Are the rocker arms needed and where are they available? >>
>
>The company said that the chip will work without the rockers. It will give
>a
>boost in power.
>
><<Who was spearheading this in the past and are you satisified with their
>experience?>>
>
>I do not know if there was a person doing a group purchase in the past,
>just
>finding out info about the chip.
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
>The total cost for
>
>1 chip $450.00 Aussie @0.59 equals USD $265.00
>10 chips $3500.00 Aussie @0.59 equals USD $2065.00
>to be mailed to
>
>Freight and Insurance $90.00 Aussie or @0.59 equals USD $53.00 for the 10
>chips
>
>one chip would be approx $15.00 Aussie or @0.59 equals USD 9.00
>
>so USD $274.00 for 1 chip or
>USD $2118.00 for 10 chips OR $211.8 each plus shipping to you in US
>
>_______________________________________________
>
>
>Here is some additional info with an article to follow as soon as I get it.
>
>....
> In our experience we have not seen any loss of fuel consumption, however
>our
> customers have noted in many cases, better fuel consumption, but as you
>know
>it
> always depends on how you drive and of course road conditions, either
>city
>of country driving etc etc. Once again too many variables.
>
> We have an article from one of our customers, who wrote to one of the
>Australian Volkswagen magazines a few years ago praising the component.
>
> We will endeavor to retype or scan the message on an email to you ASAP.
>Great
> work getting 7 buyers.
>
> Dave VVDS....
>
>
>___________________________
>
>
>The current price is $211.80 plus shipping to you.
>
>I have asked David to write a receipt for each person for a cash sale.
>This
>way each purchase is under the @$400 US duty free limit.
>
>If you can, sent a cashiers check rather than a credit card (It costs my
>company 2% per CC transaction, if you need to OK)
>
>Once all the money is here, I will place the order on my credit card for
>the
>purchase. Then once the chips are here I will then mail them to each of
>you.
>
>I do not know what the exchange rate will be in a week, possibly stay the
>same or Up or down.
>
>If you send $230, it will cover the chip cost plus the shipping costs and
>any
>remaining I will send back to you. If it comes out to be more I would like
>for you to send me the additional amount.
>
>Hopefully, I will be able to take some digital PICS to aid the instructions
>and clarify if needed.
>
>I will then finally have my car Dyno'ed for the results before and after.
>
>If any of you need references I have a few from those that I have sold
>parts
>to in the past.
>Here are 3:
>
>KENWILFY@AOL.COM traded 2.1L airbox for waterpump.
>
>hajasz@earthlink.net Steve Hajasz bought used 2.1 head
>
>gstearns@sprintmail.com Gary Stearns bought some Vanagon lowered springs
>
>
>
>What I have read and been told, that it should not be a problem. If ratio
>rockers are added, then you will not pass emissions if you do not have the
>chip. The chip alone adds @10% power, more if you make other changes to the
>engine.
>
>3. What is the price?
>
>The group price is going to be @$211.80 + shipping to you from me. The
>actual cost of the chip depends on the current exchange rate w/Australia.
>
>Others are sending me a MO for $230 and the remaining from purchase will be
>sent back with chip.
>
>I have 16 confirmed buyers and a few other possibles.
>David will still give us the low price.
>The current price is $211.80 plus shipping to you.
>
>I have asked David to write a receipt for each person for a cash sale.
>This
>way each purchase is under the @$400 US duty free limit.
>
>If you can, sent a cashiers check rather than a credit card (It costs the
>company 2% per CC transaction, if you need to OK)
>
>Once all the money is here, I will place the order on my credit card for
>the
>purchase. Then once the chips are here I will then mail them to each of
>you.
>
>I do not know what the exchange rate will be in a week, possibly stay the
>same. Up or down.
>
>If you send $230, it will cover the chip cost plus the shipping costs and
>any
>remaining I will send back to you. If it comes out to be more I would like
>for you to send me the additional amount.
>
>Hopefully, I will be able to take some digital PICS to aid the instructions
>and clarify if needed.
>
>I will then finally have my car Dyno'ed for the results before and after.
>
>If any of you need references I have a few from those that I have sold
>parts
>to in the past.
>
>Robert
>
>919-556-8639 H
>919-510-6854 W
>
>Robert Lilley
>1124 Buttercup Lane
>Wake Forest, NC 27587
>
>_____________________________________
>
>Robert
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