Date:         Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:48:12 -0400
Reply-To:     "1980 VW Westfalia \"Pokey\"" <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         "1980 VW Westfalia \"Pokey\"" <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
Subject:      Clutch Dead in Orillia Ontario / Algonquin Park - Does anyone
              know Valle Shell?
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Anyone heard of Valle Shell 59 Front N, Orillia, ON  L3V 4R7?

I had been having intermittent clutch problems but thought I had solved them by replacing my brake fluid (the clutch system also uses this fluid). Sunday night I was 40 KM or so into the interior of Algonquin Park and at least a 100 KM from the nearest town when the clutch suddenly decided to give out completely. To add insult to injury it was also pouring rain and I was low on gas.

We ended up spending the night outside of the ranger station at the entrance to our campsite since there was no way we were getting to our assigned spot. I was hoping against hope that the problem was somehow moisture related (I heard brake fluid can really suck up water). But in the sun of Monday morning, despite rolling the van into a position where the sun could shine on the clutch master cylinder (it seemed wet), there was no improvement.

I was not looking forward to a 100 KM+ tow to a crooked shop that had never seen a Vanagon or an air cooled motor. Serendipitously I spoke to a lady in a Tim Horton's in Orillia who swears by Valle Shell to service her 70's Beetle. I thought if I could just make it to Orillia I might not get screwed too badly. If anyone knows Valle Shell I'd appreciate some feedback.

I reluctantly had to start the van in second and limped out of the park at 50 KMPH, after a stop for gas I got her started in third and got a decent 80 KMPH on the highway. I made it to Orillia and now I'm waiting for the expensive phone call. Another listee mentioned the repair should be around $400 Canadian for 4hrs of labour, a new clutch and throw out bearing seal... sound about right?

Thanks,
Chris Gronski
Toronto, Ontario,
'80 Westy "Pokey"
'87 Chevrolet Sprint 5-Door
'91 Pontiac Firefly Convertible 

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 1980 VW Westfalia "Pokey" 
  To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM 
  Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 3:52 PM
  Subject: Clutch Problems / Brake Fluid Replacement


  Most people who responded to my clutch problem post thought it was low or dirty brake fluid. Its funny because after looking at my Bentley the level was the first thing I checked, I must actually be catching on or something.

  The level was about half way between Max and Min so I think its OK, but the fluid itself seemed pretty dirty. Moreover I was hit with an additional "symptom". I was driving along and the vehicle hesitated or lurched. It was open road and not necessarily accelerating, nor was I touching the clutch at all. It didn't feel like slipping like clutch problems I've had in other vehicles where the revs climb and the vehicle doesn't accelerate. Is it possible that the brakes came on momentarily, because that is what it felt like...

  Next question, I want to replace the fluid in my brakes myself and I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendation on a good brake bleeding tool to buy? Plus, I'm not really happy with Bentley's instructions has anyone seen a better description of how-to-bleed-brakes-for-the-complete-idiot? Also, I heard you really have to watch out for the bleeder screws as they can break... any thoughts?
   
  Thanks,
  Chris Gronski
  Toronto, Ontario,
  '80 Westy "Pokey"
  '87 Chevrolet Sprint 5-Door
  '91 Pontiac Firefly Convertible

  ------- Start of forwarded message -------
   
  Subject: Clutch Problems
  To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
  From: pokey@vanagon.org
  Date: 27 Aug 2000 07:59:52 PDT

  Things seem to be getting worse with my clutch.
   
  I usually leave the westy in gear after I shut down the engine, then push the clutch when starting the engine. This morning when I tried to start my westy I got that kind of hesitation and lunge you get when you try to start the car in gear, even though the clutch was FULLY depressed. With the engine off I shifted into neutral and managed to start her, but then had trouble finding a gear. I also heard a couple of "clunks" while looking.

  First gear was impossible to find but I got her into second and she did finally get going. After I got moving the problem seemed to go away, I have only owned her a short time and I've always found it somewhat difficult to find gears. See below for earlier symptoms.

  I assume this is a problem with my clutch, but I'm open to suggestions. Any thoughts on how many hours a shop would charge to redo the clutch?

  Thanks,
  Chris Gronski
  Toronto, Ontario,
  '80 Westy "Pokey"

  ----Original Message Follows----
  From: "Christopher Michael Gronski" <chrisgronski@hotmail.com>
  Reply-To: "Christopher Michael Gronski" <chrisgronski@hotmail.com>
  To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
  Subject: Dead / not dead clutch pedal
  Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:48:48 -0400
   
  I'm still trying to diagnose exactly when this happens but here's what I know so far: Today I was driving along in 4th and saw the light changing ahead, I pushed the clutch in and everything was fine but when the pedal reached the bottom it felt dead, like it didn't have the spring back or resistance that it should. I came to a stop at the light, shifted into 1st, lifed my foot off the clutch and everything was fine. Any thoughts? Is this just because I'm not used to my vehicle yet or is it a symtom of an impending problem?

  Thanks,
  Chris Gronski
  Toronto, Ontario
  '80 Westy "Pokey

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