Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:28:09 -0700
Reply-To: Bill Davidson <wdavidson@THEGRID.NET>
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From: Bill Davidson <wdavidson@THEGRID.NET>
Subject: Re: [Syncro] All Aftermarket Springs Sagg Lower Over Time,
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So the common solution in Europe, he says, is to use the factory springs with spacers under them!!
**** Of course this doesn't do anything for the spring rate... just the height.
Drawing inferences from this stunning email, one can draw some observations:
1. If David Marshall springs do indeed sag over time, this is entirely normal experience for the Europeans too. In a way, this lets David out of the dog house. Who could have predicted this problem?
Gee... I don't think only ONE complaint of sagging should be enough to put someone in the "dog house"
2. It would make sense to begin measuring Betts springs installations now so any extent of sagging is documented over time. If the Betts springs escape the syndrome, then we can make Steve the Worldwide producer of the only aftermarket non-sagging spring! Are you ready to ship to Europe, Steve?
Yes, lets measure... ALL springs will sag over time, but if they sag at an unusal rate then we should return them to Bett Springs... Bett Springs is a world class manufacturer and the springs should not sag at an unusually fast rate unless they made a mistake... If the made a mistake they should replace the springs.
3. Axel tries to scare us into raising our vans no more than 3cm. I had earlier postulated 2.5cm as the target amount so there is some correlation here.
Ah... but are we talking no more that 3cm above existing ride height (which varies from van to van) that has springs that have sagged for 10 + years or 3cm over stock ride height with new springs? And if so, what was that stock ride height?
Sag on...
Bill
All sagg together now...
From: (Axel Elsner)
To: "Derek Drew" <derekdrew@rcn.com>
Subject: AW: Bernd Jaeger gearwheels
Derek,
None of the Americans want the Seikel springs, saying they are too hard, so they have manufactured other springs that are not so stiff, but that are stiffer than the factory springs.
Axel:
Yes, I agree, the Seikel are only used now, if it comes to single or crew cabs with camping cabins etc. and the wight of the vehicle is 3200 kg or more. Please find attached a picture with me and a friend of mine with such a Seikel cab (3350 kg in sumary).
But the Seikels have a great benefit: They keep their parameters for a long time. All other, we tested are more or less for one journey or for one year. Thats the reason, we normaly keep the original springs and add some distance disks under the springs. And please, never forget: If you make the springs longer then 3 cm against the original the problems with the cv-joints and special with the boots are increasing dramaticaly. if you don`t want higher then those 3 cm, you don`t need other springs.
best regards
Axel
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