Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 03:44:14 +0100
Reply-To: Per Lindgren <lindgre@ONLINE.NO>
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From: Per Lindgren <lindgre@ONLINE.NO>
Subject: Re: [Syncro] Heavy Duty Rear Axels/CVs (108mm), Factory
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These axles are the same as found on the 16" right? If not, all the comments below are BS.
If not, they might still be valuable info?
Derek Drew wrote:
> OK. Here is the first list report on the special heavy duty 16" rear axels
> available for Vanagon.
>
> BACKGROUND
>
> Most all Vanagons in the world use axels that are 27mm thick and have 100mm
> Lobro CV joints stuck on the ends.
>
> In the rear of the vehicle only, the factory offered a rare option for a
> special axel that is 30mm thick and had 108mm Lobro CV joints on the ends.
>
> These heavy duty rear axels were offered primarily on the 16" version of
> the syncro on the rear axel only.
>
> The part number for these heavy duty axels is:
>
> VW: 251 501 203 G; LOBRO: A 153 15 01 13 010
That VW number is 251 501 201 G; 108 mm axle for 16"
>
>
> This part number yields a Lobro axel just like the regular 14" axel, except
> that it looks mighty beefy.
>
> In order to install a pair of the 108mm rear CV joint axels it is
> neccessary to install a special flange on the transmission and at the drive
> axel at the wheel.
>
> These two parts are 094 517 285A and 251 501 265, respectively
> (Gelenkflansch and Radwelle). No other parts except the Gelenkflansch and
> Radwelle need to be changed to install the beffy rear axels and
> installation is not difficult.
Wrong, you also need:
*The spacer sleeve inside the bearing housing, p/n 251 501 281 (2 pcs)
*The bolts that attach the shaft to the hubs, p/n N 900 972 02 (24 pcs)
*The plates for the above mentioned bolts, p/n 251 501 357 (12 pcs).
*Also 120g of grease for the CV joints vs. 90g for the regular size.
The ETKA also says that the rear hub is different, as is the rear lug bolts, but these can
be different due to the larger LT brakes on the 16"
>
>
> The factory cost to order an axel is something like $1,000 a pair, but
> non-factory sourcing of these Lobro parts should bring the cost down
> considerably from this silly figure.
The ETKA suggests an estimated price of DM 755 which is about $360.
>
>
> Likely, there are only one or two Vanagons in North America with these
> 108mm oversize rear axels, (possibly one that hit our shores in the last
> couple of weeks if I read this list correctly).
>
> From the emotional reaction I had while looking at these axels, I know
> that if I had them on I would go around proudly saying "Check out my big
> axels!" to anyone who would care to listen, until such time as I lost all
> my friends.
>
> The oversize axels are the same length as the factory axels.
>
> The part number for the 108mm CV joints, which are the same on either end, is:
>
> VW: 443 407 331D, LOBRO: 4988
The p/n for the 16" cv joint in my ETKA is 431 498 103 C, these should be easy to find in
the US as they are identical on 1st. gen. Audi 5000, say 81-84 models.
It should be easy for any lister to pick up a A5000 cv joint in a junkyard and see how the
fit to a regular Syncro axle is.
PerL
