Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:54:34 -0500
Reply-To:     "Horace K. Sawyer" <firestream@MINDSPRING.COM>
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From:         "Horace K. Sawyer" <firestream@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject:      Re: "The Survey Sez"------
Comments: To: Paul Borghese <paul98@PRODIGY.NET>
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You are missing the point . . .
Grubby-enuff's message was offensive to me, and others I am sure.
And I believe you will both find that you are wrong about Pascal.
The wager is not about the existence or non-existence of God.
It is about choosing to have faith, or not.
Pascal was a man of faith.  He did not study all religions and then go
choose loyalty to one based on empirical studies or analysis, or
induction.  He did not wake up one morning and wager on the existence of
God.  He already had his faith in God, like many people.  To encourage
others to seek God, he simply stated, what have you got to lose?  He came
up with the allegorical "wager."  It went something like this:  If you
wager that there is no God, and it turns out you're wrong, you have lost
everything when death knocks at your door.  But if you choose to wager on
the existence of God, you have lost nothing when you die if it turns out
you are wrong.  But if there is indeed a God of the Bible, then you have
won everything.

That ends my religion discussion.  No offense intended to anyone.

HK





At 02:52 PM 2/5/01 -0500, Paul Borghese wrote:
>same thing.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jere & Beth Hawn" <jbrschawn@EARTHLINK.NET>
>Newsgroups: groupstudy.vanagon
>Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 3:40 PM
>Subject: Re: "The Survey Sez"------
>
>
> > Sorry, Pascal's Wager does not apply.  Pascal's wager is about the
>existence
> > of God not Jesus.
> >
> > JH
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From:   Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]  On Behalf
>Of
> > Horace K. Sawyer
> > Sent:   Saturday, February 03, 2001 7:57 AM
> > To:     vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject:        Re: "The Survey Sez"------
> >
> > At 10:44 PM 2/3/01 +1200, Andrew Grebneff wrote:
> > > >The Jesus Rug has to be Shag and Fluro as well as eyelights.....we will
> > > >have nothing if we let our taste go to ruination
> > >
> > >
> > >Why not the shroud of Turin? make a good curtain if it's not too
>motheaten.
> > _______________
> >
> >          I take it you have not read Pascal's wager.
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > HK
> >