Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:20:58 -0500
Reply-To: Derek Drew <derekdrew@RCN.COM>
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From: Derek Drew <derekdrew@RCN.COM>
Subject: 16" Trailing Arms Purchase For North Americans
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<blockquote type=cite cite>After that is in I will go up in tire size.
How about those 16" trailing<br>
arms Derek?</blockquote><br>
Hi. Yes, about 16" rear trailing arms for syncro. The purchase of
these begins this week, and this email announces this on the Vanagon
list. All list members are invited to participate. These trailing arms
open up a range of tires to us that we otherwise could not use. I show in
the chart below some new tires that become available for us to consider
along with the approximate cutoff for 14" trailing arms. <br>
<br>
NEW TIRES ENABLED BY 16" TRAILING ARMS<br>
<br>
-------------------------BEGIN BRACKET--------------------<br>
<br>
Revolutions<br>
Per<br>
Mile
Size
Width Diameter <br>
<br>
647<x-tab> </x-tab>7.50R16
<x-tab> </x-tab>8.7<x-tab> </x-tab>32.1<x-tab> </x-tab>Yokahama
Super-Digger IV(Y811)<br>
650<x-tab> </x-tab>235/85R16
<x-tab> </x-tab>9.3<x-tab> </x-tab>31.9<x-tab> </x-tab>Yokahama
Super-Digger IV(Y811)<br>
650<x-tab> </x-tab>235/85R16
<x-tab> </x-tab>9.3<x-tab> </x-tab>31.9<x-tab> </x-tab>Yokahama
Super-Digger IV(Y811)<br>
650<x-tab> </x-tab>7.50R16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.10<x-tab> </x-tab>31.90<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
653<x-tab> </x-tab>235/85R16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.4<x-tab> </x-tab>31.8<x-tab> </x-tab>Pirelli
Scorpian A/T<br>
654<x-tab> </x-tab>235/85/16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.3<x-tab> </x-tab>31.8<x-tab> </x-tab>BF
Goodrich All-Terrain T/A KO<br>
654<x-tab> </x-tab>235/85R16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.40<x-tab> </x-tab>31.80<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
654<x-tab> </x-tab>235/85R16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.60<x-tab> </x-tab>31.70<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
654<x-tab> </x-tab>
235/85R16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.29<x-tab> </x-tab>31.90<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer ST<br>
655<x-tab> </x-tab>7.50R16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.7<x-tab> </x-tab>31.8<x-tab> </x-tab>Dayton
Timberline A/T<br>
656<x-tab> </x-tab>235/85R16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.3<x-tab> </x-tab>31.7<x-tab> </x-tab>Dayton
Timberline A/T<br>
657<x-tab> </x-tab>235/85R16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.3<x-tab> </x-tab>31.7<x-tab> </x-tab>Dayton
Timberline A/T<br>
660<x-tab> </x-tab>235/85R16
<x-tab> </x-tab>9.3<x-tab> </x-tab>31.7<x-tab> </x-tab>Yokahama
GelanderAT<br>
668<x-tab> </x-tab>235/85/16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.2<x-tab> </x-tab>31.8<x-tab> </x-tab>Dunlop
Radial Rover RT<br>
673<x-tab> </x-tab>7.50/16<x-tab> </x-tab>
8.9<x-tab> </x-tab>31.7<x-tab> </x-tab>Dunlop
Radial Rover RT<br>
673<x-tab> </x-tab>235/75R15<x-tab> </x-tab>9.3<x-tab> </x-tab>28.9<x-tab> </x-tab>Pirelli
Scorpian A/T<br>
675<x-tab> </x-tab>245/75R16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.40<x-tab> </x-tab>30.70<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
675<x-tab> </x-tab>245/75R16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.40<x-tab> </x-tab>30.70<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
682<x-tab> </x-tab>215/85R16
<x-tab> </x-tab>8.3<x-tab> </x-tab>30.5<x-tab> </x-tab>Yokahama
Super-Digger IV(Y811)<br>
682<x-tab> </x-tab>215/85R16
<x-tab> </x-tab>8.3<x-tab> </x-tab>30.5<x-tab> </x-tab>Yokahama
Super-Digger IV(Y811)<br>
682<x-tab> </x-tab>215/85R16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.90<x-tab> </x-tab>30.40<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
684<x-tab> </x-tab>215/85R16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.10<x-tab> </x-tab>30.30<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
684<x-tab> </x-tab>
215/85R16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.41<x-tab> </x-tab>30.48<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer ST<br>
685<x-tab> </x-tab>215/85R16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.5<x-tab> </x-tab>30.4<x-tab> </x-tab>Dayton
Timberline A/T<br>
691<x-tab> </x-tab>215/85/16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.7<x-tab> </x-tab>30.5<x-tab> </x-tab>Dunlop
Radial Rover RT<br>
700<x-tab> </x-tab>235/70R16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.5<x-tab> </x-tab>29.0<x-tab> </x-tab>Pirelli
Scorpian A/T<br>
705<x-tab> </x-tab>30x9.50/15<x-tab> </x-tab>9.4<x-tab> </x-tab>29.5<x-tab> </x-tab>BF
Goodrich All-Terrain T/A KO<br>
706<x-tab> </x-tab>30x9.50R15<x-tab> </x-tab>9.5<x-tab> </x-tab>29.5<x-tab> </x-tab>Dayton
Timberline A/T<br>
707<x-tab> </x-tab>225/75r16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.8<x-tab> </x-tab>29.4<x-tab> </x-tab>BF
Goodrich All-Terrain T/A KO<br>
708<x-tab> </x-tab>225/75R16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.60<x-tab> </x-tab>29.30<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
708<x-tab> </x-tab>30x9.50R15<x-tab> </x-tab>9.30<x-tab> </x-tab>29.30<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
708<x-tab> </x-tab>225/75R16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.1<x-tab> </x-tab>29.4<x-tab> </x-tab>Pirelli
Scorpian A/T<br>
708<x-tab> </x-tab>
30X9.50R15LT<x-tab> </x-tab>9.63<x-tab> </x-tab>29.35<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer ST<br>
709<x-tab> </x-tab>225/75R16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.8<x-tab> </x-tab>29.4<x-tab> </x-tab>Bridgestone
Dueler A/T<br>
709<x-tab> </x-tab>30x9.50R15
<x-tab> </x-tab>9.6<x-tab> </x-tab>29.5<x-tab> </x-tab>Yokahama
GelanderAT<br>
710<x-tab> </x-tab>225/75R16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.90<x-tab> </x-tab>29.20<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
710<x-tab> </x-tab>
225/75R16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.54<x-tab> </x-tab>29.35<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer ST<br>
711<x-tab> </x-tab>225/75R16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.8<x-tab> </x-tab>29.3<x-tab> </x-tab>Dayton
Timberline A/T<br>
712<x-tab> </x-tab>235/75R15
<x-tab> </x-tab>9.2<x-tab> </x-tab>29.1<x-tab> </x-tab>Yokahama
Super-Digger IV(Y811)<br>
714<x-tab> </x-tab>225/75R16
<x-tab> </x-tab>8.8<x-tab> </x-tab>29.3<x-tab> </x-tab>Yokahama
GelanderAT<br>
715<x-tab> </x-tab>235/70/16<x-tab> </x-tab>9.5<x-tab> </x-tab>29.1<x-tab> </x-tab>BF
Goodrich All-Terrain T/A KO<br>
<br>
-----------------------*APPROXIMATE* LIMIT OF 14" REAR TRAILING
<br>
ARMS APPEARS TO BE ABOUT HERE ----------------------------------<br>
Note: some have pushed this limit upwards some by sawing into their
14" <br>
trailing arms whereas Volksdragon's 235/75/15s hit and he dropped back
<br>
to 215/75/15 as a result.<br>
<br>
715<x-tab> </x-tab>235/75R15<x-tab> </x-tab>9.14<x-tab> </x-tab>28.62<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer ST<br>
717<x-tab> </x-tab>235/75r15<x-tab> </x-tab>9.1<x-tab> </x-tab>29<x-tab> </x-tab>BF
Goodrich All-Terrain T/A KO<br>
717<x-tab> </x-tab>205/R16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.10<x-tab> </x-tab>28.90<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
719<x-tab> </x-tab>235/75R15<x-tab> </x-tab>8.90<x-tab> </x-tab>28.90<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
721<x-tab> </x-tab>235/75R15<x-tab> </x-tab>9.3<x-tab> </x-tab>28.9<x-tab> </x-tab>Bridgestone
Dueler A/T<br>
723<x-tab> </x-tab>235/75R15
<x-tab> </x-tab>9.3<x-tab> </x-tab>28.9<x-tab> </x-tab>Yokahama
GelanderAT<br>
725<x-tab> </x-tab>225/75/16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.7<x-tab> </x-tab>29.3<x-tab> </x-tab>Dunlop
Radial Rover RT<br>
730<x-tab> </x-tab>225/70r16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.9<x-tab> </x-tab>28.5<x-tab> </x-tab>BF
Goodrich All-Terrain T/A KO<br>
739<x-tab> </x-tab>235/75/15<x-tab> </x-tab>9.2<x-tab> </x-tab>28.8<x-tab> </x-tab>Dunlop
Radial Rover RT<br>
743<x-tab> </x-tab>215/70r16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.7<x-tab> </x-tab>28<x-tab> </x-tab>BF
Goodrich All-Terrain T/A KO<br>
744<x-tab> </x-tab>215/75R15
<x-tab> </x-tab>8.7<x-tab> </x-tab>27.9<x-tab> </x-tab>Yokahama
Super-Digger IV(Y811)<br>
746<x-tab> </x-tab>215/75R15<x-tab> </x-tab>8.15<x-tab> </x-tab>27.80<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
747<x-tab> </x-tab>215/70R16<x-tab> </x-tab>8.2<x-tab> </x-tab>27.9<x-tab> </x-tab>Bridgestone
Dueler A/T<br>
748<x-tab> </x-tab>215/75r15<x-tab> </x-tab>8.4<x-tab> </x-tab>27.8<x-tab> </x-tab>BF
Goodrich All-Terrain T/A KO<br>
750<x-tab> </x-tab>215/75R15<x-tab> </x-tab>8.5<x-tab> </x-tab>27.7<x-tab> </x-tab>Pirelli
Scorpian A/T<br>
755<x-tab> </x-tab>215/75R15
<x-tab> </x-tab>8.5<x-tab> </x-tab>27.7<x-tab> </x-tab>Yokahama
GelanderAT<br>
765<x-tab> </x-tab>195/R15REINF.<x-tab> </x-tab>7.70<x-tab> </x-tab>27.10<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
782<x-tab> </x-tab>27x8.50/14<x-tab> </x-tab>8.5<x-tab> </x-tab>26.6<x-tab> </x-tab>BF
Goodrich All-Terrain T/A KO<br>
782<x-tab> </x-tab>27x8.50R14<x-tab> </x-tab>8.70<x-tab> </x-tab>26.50<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
797<x-tab> </x-tab>195/75R14<x-tab> </x-tab>7.50<x-tab> </x-tab>26.00<x-tab> </x-tab>Cooper
Discoverer LT<br>
811<x-tab> </x-tab>195/75R14<x-tab> </x-tab>7.9<x-tab> </x-tab>27.9<x-tab> </x-tab>Bridgestone
Dueler A/T<br>
819<x-tab> </x-tab>205/70/14<x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab>Stock
North American Michelin MXL<br>
836<x-tab> </x-tab>205/70/14<x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab>Michelin
MXT <br>
<br>
You can see a picture of what they look like here: <br>
<br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/syncro-org/files/Wheels,%20Tires%20%26%20Gearing/Wheel%20%26%20Tire%20Photos/16_Inch_Trailing_Arm.jpg" eudora="autourl">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/syncro-org/files/Wheels%2C%20Tires%20%26%20Gearing/Wheel%20%26%20Tire%20Photos/16_Inch_Trailing_Arm.</a><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/syncro-org/files/Wheels,%20Tires%20%26%20Gearing/Wheel%20%26%20Tire%20Photos/16_Inch_Trailing_Arm.jpg" eudora="autourl">jpg<br>
<br>
</a></u></font>As many readers know, these trailing arms were not sold in
North America and only a few of them were manufactured and installed on
the special 16" syncros manufactured and sold to NATO and to a few
individuals and commercial establishments in Europe. <br>
<br>
I think they can be installed on 2WD as well as syncro. <br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Derek,<br>
<br>
Didn't know there was a previous group purchase of the 16" <br>
trailing arms. Researching previous posts on this topic I find
<br>
one that says a purchase would be possible at $1500 per pair.
<br>
<br>
Is this the correct price?<br>
<br>
Warren C.</blockquote><br>
No. I found a cheaper way. Email me privately for more information if
interested. <br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>I thought I would send a comment about tires.
This is not a scientific but a<br>
"seat of the pants" observation. I have roughly 20,000 miles on
my second<br>
set of BFG-AT 215 75r 15s with 15x7 ET25 wheels. This combo has given
very<br>
good service for several reasons.<br>
1) When moving from the stock 14" wheels to this set up I noticed a
huge<br>
difference in the stability of the vehicle.<br>
2) I can cruise with traffic at 75 at about 3700 rpm<br>
3) 50 to 55mph in 3rd is a good climbing speed not available with
the stock<br>
wheel set up. ( I don't feel like I am going to blow the engine) The
215s<br>
allow a higher 3rd gear speed that I feel fits the grades that I can't
hold<br>
4th on. At Syncro Safari this year we had to drive up Sherman grade
7mi<br>
(outside Mammoth), 2nd gear all the way at 35mph. Don't know if the
others<br>
were able to hold third but I couldn't.<br>
4) The 215s give good ground clearance, but I would like more.<br>
5) I think the 215 is the biggest tire you can fit in the spare tire
well.<br>
(with modification)<br>
6) acceleration is acceptable,slower than stock, but I was surprised to
find<br>
it was not really noticeable.<br>
7) the tires fit without modification as long as you use the correct
offset<br>
and the suspension is in good order.<br>
8) As an original owner of a 1990 Syncro Westie my "seat of the
pants"<br>
observation is that the 215 75r 15 is the best intermediate tire for
the<br>
syncro, much better than the stock set up. It "fits" and
"feels" better.<br>
<br>
All that being said, I ordered from Weddle today a new gear box with
5.43<br>
R&P, 1.17 3rd and .77 4th with a 930 axle set up, to match my front
locker<br>
with 5.43 R&P.<br>
After that is in I will go up in tire size. How about those 16"
trailing<br>
arms Derek?<br>
<br>
A non-scientific approach from a hedonistic Syncro pilot.<br>
DJ.<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Derek Drew" <derekdrew@rcn.com><br>
To: <Syncro@yahoogroups.com><br>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:54 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [Syncro] Tires: 235 vs 215<br>
<br>
<br>
> This information, that the 215/75 15 tires were acceptable to you is
news<br>
<br>
> to me in the preparation of my tires and gearing article. I had
previously<br>
> assumed that the 27 x 8.50 14 size was best and was sort of the
upper<br>
limit<br>
> of advisability on the issue of power, but several reports have come
back<br>
> from users with the 215/75 15 tires now saying that they liked them.
Yours<br>
> is the latest.<br>
><br>
> Accordingly this report, together with reports from Tim Smith,
Michael<br>
> Sullivan, and I think Drillock it was, are causing me to increase
the<br>
> specification for the upper limit of advisability that one can go in
a<br>
> given tire size before wanting to do a gear change. Good info. Also
good<br>
> info on the 235/75s, although several members were running these
without<br>
> hitting the trailing arms.<br>
><br>
> If this vehicle you were driving was not a Westfalia, then this
is<br>
relevant<br>
> because your vehicle was lighter than some others, and may have had
more<br>
> resistance therefore to the ill effect of oversize tires. Also, it
would<br>
be<br>
> nice to hear a report after driving around in the mountains a bit
and see<br>
> what kind of power curve disadvantage you feel this tire has, if
any.<br>
><br>
> Please report back again after some more driving in the hills.<br>
><br>
> In my tire research I have come up with the incredible fact that
size<br>
> information, like "235/75/15" and so forth are almost
meaningless because<br>
a<br>
> two different tires with the same rated size can have huge
differences<br>
> between them--so much so that tires of one size overlap and bleed
far into<br>
> the range of tires of a completely different size, depending on the
tire<br>
> manufacturer and the model of the tire. I therefore think it would
be well<br>
> to discontinue using standard tire size nomenclature and instead
append<br>
> such sizing information only as an afterthought or name label to a
"real"<br>
> tire size rating. That is, it would be preferable if people would
specify<br>
> their tires like this: 748/8.9/28.9 where the first number is
revolutions<br>
> per mile, the second number is tire width mounted on typical rims,
and the<br>
> third number is tire diameter unladen. You cannot derive the first
of<br>
these<br>
> numbers from the third, by the way, since every tire is very
different in<br>
> this respect.<br>
><br>
> At 07:02 PM 2/27/01 -0800, you wrote:<br>
> >I played with tires on my syncro this week. I have been
trying to get a<br>
> >P235/75R15 on a set of Passat rims. The clearances are
about 1/4" in<br>
> >all areas - upper control arm, rear springs, and of course the
trailing<br>
> >arms. They looked fine until I zig-zagged down the street
and they<br>
> >rubbed on the trailing arm. But 1.5" taller was
nice. These were<br>
> >Goodyear Wrangler RTS. I also noticed a difference in
braking power<br>
> >with these tires, even after only 10 miles.<br>
> ><br>
> >I ended up getting 5 Futura Dakota LT215/75R15 on the Passat
rims. They<br>
> >fit perfect and are a bit narrower (which I think is
better). These<br>
> >tires raised it 1.25" and I feel little difference in
acceleration. I<br>
> >haven't felt any difference in braking, but have only been
driven 25<br>
> >miles so far. Another listee, Val, showed me these tires
on his<br>
> >syncro. He has 27x8.5R14.<br>
> ><br>
> >The tires I took off were Michelin 205/70R14 MXL. They
were the 3rd set<br>
> >of tires since it was new and I'm at 108K now.<br>
> ><br>
> >Rennie<br>
> >VolksDragon@earthlink.net<br>
> >Los Angeles<br>
> >86 syncro<br>
> ><br>
> >If you would like to modify your subscription settings
(including<br>
> >unsubscribing), visit:<br>
>
><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro" eudora="autourl">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro</a><br>
> >Please remember that rude or offensive language is not allowed
on the<br>
> >Syncro list. Please try your best to resolve differences
privately and<br>
> >keep them off the list.<br>
> ><br>
> ></blockquote><br>
________________________________________________________<br>
Derek
Drew
New York, NY & Washington, DC<br>
derekdrew@rcn.com<x-tab> </x-tab><br>
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<a href="http://www.vanagon.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.vanagon.com</a> <br>
<a href="http://www.syncro.org/" eudora="autourl">http://www.syncro.</a><a href="http://www.syncro.org/" eudora="autourl">org</a> <br>
To sign up for the Vanagon mailing list send email to <font color="#0000FF"><u>listserv@gerry.vanagon.com<br>
</u></font> with the body text SUBSCRIBE VANAGON <i>Firstname Lastname</i> <br>
To sign up for the Syncro mailing list go to <br>
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro" eudora="autourl"><font color="#0000FF">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro</a> <br>
</font> My refrigerator article: <br>
<a href="http://www.vanagon.com/info/articles/Refrigerator/Reefer_Madness.htm" eudora="autourl">http://www.vanagon.com/info/articles/Refrigerator/Reefer_Madness.htm</a><br>
My article that shows how to deal with insurance companies: <br>
<a href="ftp://gerry.vanagon.com/pub/auto-insurance-madness.html" eudora="autourl">ftp://gerry.vanagon.com/pub/auto-insurance-madness.html</a> <br>
To view Wolfgang's incredibly informative wheel article<br>
<a href="http://users.rcn.com/derekdrew/fitbigtiresonvanagon.htm" eudora="autourl">http://users.rcn.com/derekdrew/fitbigtiresonvanagon.htm</a> <br>
To view Tim Smith's incredibly useful gearing calculator<br>
<a href="http://users.rcn.com/derekdrew/syncrotireandgearratios.xls" eudora="autourl">http://users.rcn.com/derekdrew/syncrotireandgearratios.xls</a> <br>
To view some 16" Trailing Arms that enable much larger tires see<br>
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/syncro-org/files/Wheels,%20Tires%20%26%20Gearing/Wheel%20%26%20Tire%20Photos/16_Inch_Trailing_Arm.jpg" eudora="autourl">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/syncro-org/files/Wheels%2C%20Tires%20%26%20Gearing/Wheel%20%26%20Tire%20Photos/16_Inch_Trailing_Arm.jpg</a><br>
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