Date:         Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:37:34 -0500
Reply-To:     "Dave C." <vinniethe85vanagon@MAC.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         "Dave C." <vinniethe85vanagon@MAC.COM>
Subject:      Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam...love the Spam---NOT!!
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>This is an updated version (3/26/01) of a previously sent message:

{As Dave dons his Nomex fire suit, he starts typing and out spills the
following:}

Curious this point should arise again, as I've suggested closing the list to
members recently too. I sensed some flack for the suggestion as I was
"adding to the junk" & I should just hit the delete key.
I've been subscribed now for about 3 years I think. In the past 6 months or
so, the junk has increased from none to quite a few almost every day.  On
2/17, I started keeping track even. See below the signature line. (I know,
very Type A personality!).
Also consider this: (my math may not be totally accurate but...)
assume an average of 5k per message
X average of 2.5 messages/day (this will only get worse)
X 365 days in the year
= 4,562 k per year of crap in our archives and passing through our
system(s).
X 10 years that adds up 45,625 k of crap. It all adds up.

There are easy workarounds to a closed list. One can access the list
remotely by opening a free e-mail account on yahoo, or one of the other many
sources, and subscribe that way so they can post to the list from the road
in an emergency.  Set that account to NOMail while home and turn it on prior
to departure. Simple. All that crap will only increase over time and our
archives will contain all that stuff as well.
At one time I read that all unsubscribed addresses were held and passed on
to the list only after someone looked at them.  I guess that wasn't or isn't
happening. Tom, Ron? Will you comment?

I reassert that we please close the list. At least put it to a vote.

Cheers,
Dave C.
Williamsburg, VA
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