Date:         Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:34:03 -0500
Reply-To:     Derek Drew <derekdrew@RCN.COM>
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From:         Derek Drew <derekdrew@RCN.COM>
Subject:      Re: POR-15 rust prevention
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Rust book author / ski house friend responds on POR-15

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>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:50:12 -0500
>To: Derek Drew <derekdrew@rcn.com>
>From: Ward Hill Press <wardhill@rcn.com>
>Subject: Re: Fwd: [Syncro] POR-15 rust prevention
>
>Derek,
>Also read below my sig line.
>>>Hello list,
>>>
>>>does anybody have experience with POR-15 products www.por15.com
>>>for rust prevention? Is it recommendable?
>>>I plan to paint parts of the syncro body frame with that paint.
>>>
>>>bye
>>>Wolfgang
>
>In short, the body frame is probably the only place to use POR-15 alone,
>uncoated. POR-15 breaks down when exposed to UV light, so as long as you
>don't park on surfaces that reflect UV light it would be OK. Parts exposed
>to UV light must be top coated, within a set amount of time, before it
>hardens. POR-15 has a shelf life, so don't order any until you are ready
>to use it. I didn't use it soon enough and both ends of the can bulged. It
>is sold with metal tabs to keep the lid on.
>
>I mention POR-15 in the RUST book. POR-15 is carcinogenic (causes cancer),
>and should not be sprayed unless you have an respirator approved by
>NOISH/MSHA. An air line respirator is recommended. You should also wear
>gloves, goggles or a face shield. As with any over rust paint, loose or
>flaking rust must be removed.
>
>Anyone thinking of using this stuff should ask the company for the
>"Material Safety and Data Sheet". They must send it free of charge. It
>comes with the stuff when you order it. Reading it before hand may make
>you decide to use an alternative product.
>
>I have had very good results with Corless. It is a rust over primer and
>doesn't need to be top coated and is used in marine environments. Unlike
>POR-15 it can be painted at a later date. Read the directions when top
>coating. It is available from eastwoodco.com.
>
>
>Steve Joseph
>author of
>Rust How To Keep It From Destroying Your Car
>http://www.bookzone.com/bookzone/10000822.html
>We also have some scuffed (slight cover damage) books for $10 including
>USA shipping e-mail directly wardhill@interport.net
>
>I have seen this same kind of effusive post on other lists, can't help but
>think it is some sort of plant. The wording is usually similar to this
>post from '97 below.
>
>
> >Saved the following from my ihc-digest.
> >>
> >>Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 02:03:19 EST
> >>From: FLY4SCOUT <FLY4SCOUT@aol.com>
> >>Subject: Re: POR-15
> >>
> >><their number is 1-800-457-6715. BTW, I have no affiliations with these
> >><guys, etc. etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>John,
> >>
> >>My Dad and I have been using POR-15 for about 2 years now. WE LOVE IT! I
> >wish I found this product earlier during my restoration. So far, I've used
> >it n/in/around my frame, inside all the panels I could reach, on my axles,
> >inside the doors, etc....
> >>I used a spray gun designed for reaching inside panels (like for rust
> >proofing products) on most of these locations.
> >>
> >>I also used POR-15 on a battery box I welded together, and haven't seen
> >any effects from the battery on the finish yet.
> >>
> >>My gas tank was leaking, so I ordered their fuel tank sealer kit. I used
> >the kit inside the tank, and then painted the outside of the tank with
> >regular POR-15. It hasn't leaked since. (My Dad has used the kit on at
> >least 5 tanks now with excellant results)
> >>
> >>On the engine I'm rebuilding, I plan to coat the entire thing in regular
> >>POR-15, followed by one of their heat resistant color coats like
> >Thunderbird Red.
> >>
> >>In my experience, this stuff is incredibly hard when dry, and rust really
> >can be painted directly over to prevent any further spread (It seals out
> >oxygen and moisture from reaching the surface). No place I have used this
> >stuff has rusted through yet. (I wish I could say that about other products
> >I tried!)
> >>
> >>The only problem I have using POR-15 is that if it dryes in you, It takes
> >a LONG time to wear off. Clean your spray gun, paint brush, arm, leg, or
> >anything else you get it on BEFORE it has a chance to dry. Also, it cures
> >using moisture, so don't drip sweat or condensation from a drink into
> the can.
> >>
> >>It ruins the entire can, trust me. We normally by the quart or pint size
> >cans depending on what size project we're working on. It might cost a
> >little more up front this way, but we don't waist as much in the long run.
> >Also, regular POR-15 has no UV protection, so only use it in areas that
> >don't get direct sun light. (It fades out otherwise)
> >>
> >>On almost all of our applications, we painted the POR onto the surface
> >without using the Metal-Ready etching product. On new metal or a
> >galvanized surface, it would be required to give the POR something to
> >"cling" to.
> >>
> >>If you have any questions, E-mail me or call 602-917-2609. Between my Dad
> >and I, we've probably tried all of their products. I haven't been
> >disappointed yet.
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>FLY4SCOUT@aol.com
>
>
>
>
>

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Derek Drew                              New York, NY & Washington, DC
derekdrew@rcn.com                     212-580-6486
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