Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:29:12 -0700
Reply-To: David Marshall <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
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From: David Marshall <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
Subject: Re: : Re: Power...Power...Power... Can be found in the
WBX...Counter-weighting
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I agree with Robert here. If you build an engine RIGHT it will out perform
anything from the factory. The thing with building up a boxer is like any
other engine, you need someone who cares about what they are doing and not
install crap. The boxers are production like engines, built in under an
hour I am sure. I think it takes much more than an hour to make a "Lilley"
boxer, and so it should! One of these days I would love to drive one! I
have driven a nicely rebuild, ballanced, counter weighted etc etc etc inline
engine - wow! totally fantastic - silky smooth and revving to 8000 RPM
wasn't an issue at all. The issue was how much this engine cost! I guess
it is the difference between a $10 bottle of wine and $100 bottle of wine -
both will get you drunk if you consume enough, but the experience with the
$100 bottle of wine is much better!
David Marshall
Fast Forward Autobahn Sport Tuning
4356 Quesnel Hixon Road
Quesnel BC Canada V2J 6Z3
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-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf Of
Robert Lilley
Sent: April 2, 2001 4:43 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: : Re: Power...Power...Power... Can be found in the
WBX...Counter-weighting
<<While I am well aware that a VW boxer will happily rev to 8000rpm (my
57with 1600 & original split-case trans would do this in 3rd no problems
onlevel roads), think of what it's doing to the crank and other rotary &
reciprocating internals. The crank has effectively only 3
main-bearings,and
each pair (1-2, 3-4) of rods is on an unsupported and flexing sectionof
crankshaft. You'll be flogging out the mains and big-ends, putting
sideloadings on the rods & pistons/bores and the crank is liable to
eventuallybreak between these unsupported big-ends.>>>
TRUE, in stock form, a 1600 it would self destruct BUT:
The WBX is far from a warmed over 1600...
COUNTER-WEIGHTING and A BALANCING job...PLUS the right parts can make it
live...
THAT is the purpose of ADDING counterweights, full race balancing and
BUILDING it to go that high and live, plus normally you do not take it
that
high and keep it there...
The accessories become the limiting factor when going past the WBX 6000
red
line anyway. I do not take it that high and "MOST" Vanagon owners do not
want power where they do not drive. I find I do not have to take it past
~4000 in daily driving, except to get on a freeway, otherwise I would be
running into the rear of many cars in front during traffic.
Plus how are the other engines during SLOW traffic? I can take my engine
down to smooth ~1500 with no lugging and pull up to smooth 5000 rpms.
Lets not get caught up in the "my engine is bigger than your engine" and
look
for real solutions to the problem. While converting is for some, others
just
want to make what they have better.
The whole point of what I did, along with others, was to take the engine
that
came in the U.S. (and others that are similar) Vanagons and address the
problems to make it better, to focus on fixing the problems making it
better,
fixing common problems to the engine long block, in order to make it
stronger
and last longer...For those that do not want to swap...
Robert
"Lilley 2"
in development
"You can have a Lilley 2"
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