Date:         Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:18:03 -0700
Reply-To:     wayout <wayout@IX.NETCOM.COM>
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From:         wayout <wayout@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Why the Delete Key is not enough!! PLEASE READ
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People griping because they cant jerk their employers off by reading
Vanagon stuff while on the clock without getting red flagged by spam are
infantile.
Get yourself a hotmail account and subscribe to the Vanagon list that way,
then your mail doesnt go through your employers servers, Techno-Tards!

ya goddamn babies!
Keep the Vanagon list OPEN!!!!

Jason Loewenstein
Marysville / Tulalip, WA
85GL


At 04:59 PM 4/18/01 -0400, you wrote:
>John,
>
>I have to comment on your obvious insensitivity or naivete regarding your
>comment:
>
>>Its ridiculous to even consider a boss's attitude toward email when it
>>comes to running this list.
>
>It has nothing to do with one's supervisor or one's manager...it has to do
>with a well established legal principal that there is no email privacy when
>your email goes through an employer's email system. There are court cases
>which have upheld an employer's right to terminate an employee as a result
>of misuse or abuse of company email.
>
>Perhaps you are independently wealthy and don't have to worry about your
>job...or perhaps you don't use an email system at work. It is obvious that
>you do not have any idea as to what the true issues are, especially when
>you make your other comment:
>
>
>>Maybe don't read the list when you are at work???
>
>I read the list at work and at home. Perhaps you need a little lesson in
>how email works. Someone posts something to the vanagon list. The vanagon
>list then broadcasts this post to members of the list.
>
>Some of these folks use an ISP (Internet Service Provider) and then
>download their mail to their own PCs. Folks who use an ISP have a guarantee
>of privacy, its in the ISP contract.
>
>But some of us use employer-based email. In that case the vanagon list post
>goes to the employer's mail server or central system.That post sits on the
>central system or mail server until its is downloaded to the member's PC.
>However while the mail resides on the mail server it is subject to scrutiny
>by the employer, and in some instances if back up copies are made of the
>server or central system, copies of that email are stored in a more
>permanent fashion.
>
>
>Am I a bit irritated by this? Do I have an "attitude"? You betcha!  I've
>had the same email address for over 15 years, its a part of me, and I don't
>want to switch to my ISP to use their email address.
>
>Second, I've been on this list for almost 10 years ago. Perhaps I am a bit
>nostalgic...but back then almost everyone on the list had email addresses
>that ended up with .edu; .org; .gov; and a few .com's to boot....bottom
>line not only were we vanagon owners, but we were techies...we were well
>versed in the fine art of computing and the infant world of email and
>internet. Issues like spam were taken seriously back then...but ahhh I
>digress.....
>
>Oh well...
>
>Ric