Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:51:19 -0700
Reply-To: Jason Yasment <jyasment@YAHOO.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Jason Yasment <jyasment@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Why the Delete Key is not enough!! PLEASE READ
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010419000910.02486eb0@popd.ix.netcom.com>
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Even better open up a web account at www.hushmail.com,
so that you employer cannot read the plain text as it
passes through their network.
--- wayout <wayout@IX.NETCOM.COM> wrote:
> People griping because they cant jerk their
> employers off by reading
> Vanagon stuff while on the clock without getting red
> flagged by spam are
> infantile.
> Get yourself a hotmail account and subscribe to the
> Vanagon list that way,
> then your mail doesnt go through your employers
> servers, Techno-Tards!
>
> ya goddamn babies!
> Keep the Vanagon list OPEN!!!!
>
> Jason Loewenstein
> Marysville / Tulalip, WA
> 85GL
>
>
> At 04:59 PM 4/18/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >John,
> >
> >I have to comment on your obvious insensitivity or
> naivete regarding your
> >comment:
> >
> >>Its ridiculous to even consider a boss's attitude
> toward email when it
> >>comes to running this list.
> >
> >It has nothing to do with one's supervisor or one's
> manager...it has to do
> >with a well established legal principal that there
> is no email privacy when
> >your email goes through an employer's email system.
> There are court cases
> >which have upheld an employer's right to terminate
> an employee as a result
> >of misuse or abuse of company email.
> >
> >Perhaps you are independently wealthy and don't
> have to worry about your
> >job...or perhaps you don't use an email system at
> work. It is obvious that
> >you do not have any idea as to what the true issues
> are, especially when
> >you make your other comment:
> >
> >
> >>Maybe don't read the list when you are at work???
> >
> >I read the list at work and at home. Perhaps you
> need a little lesson in
> >how email works. Someone posts something to the
> vanagon list. The vanagon
> >list then broadcasts this post to members of the
> list.
> >
> >Some of these folks use an ISP (Internet Service
> Provider) and then
> >download their mail to their own PCs. Folks who use
> an ISP have a guarantee
> >of privacy, its in the ISP contract.
> >
> >But some of us use employer-based email. In that
> case the vanagon list post
> >goes to the employer's mail server or central
> system.That post sits on the
> >central system or mail server until its is
> downloaded to the member's PC.
> >However while the mail resides on the mail server
> it is subject to scrutiny
> >by the employer, and in some instances if back up
> copies are made of the
> >server or central system, copies of that email are
> stored in a more
> >permanent fashion.
> >
> >
> >Am I a bit irritated by this? Do I have an
> "attitude"? You betcha! I've
> >had the same email address for over 15 years, its a
> part of me, and I don't
> >want to switch to my ISP to use their email
> address.
> >
> >Second, I've been on this list for almost 10 years
> ago. Perhaps I am a bit
> >nostalgic...but back then almost everyone on the
> list had email addresses
> >that ended up with .edu; .org; .gov; and a few
> .com's to boot....bottom
> >line not only were we vanagon owners, but we were
> techies...we were well
> >versed in the fine art of computing and the infant
> world of email and
> >internet. Issues like spam were taken seriously
> back then...but ahhh I
> >digress.....
> >
> >Oh well...
> >
> >Ric
>
>
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