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Date:         Fri, 25 May 2001 09:45:42 MDT
Reply-To:     Joe Fortino <biker.pride@USA.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Joe Fortino <biker.pride@USA.NET>
Subject:      Re: [RE: [Re: [Re: [Re: List Sticker and Hat lawsuit]]]]
Comments: To: Chris Stann <ChrisS@INFORMS.com>
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Mr Chris, or button pusher you pick!!

1. I don't need to explain my email address to you. 2. let me be!! 3. I love you.. 4. IF my list ed is not good, then maybe I'm not ment to hang here.

thanks for listening, and in the future direct it to me ONLY!! i've been on the net for awhile, and holding my speech VIA keyboard is not right!!

have a good day.

"Chris Stann" <ChrisS@INFORMS.com> wrote: Biker pride? Ok, whatever you say.... sir.

-----Original Message----- From: Joe Fortino [mailto:biker.pride@usa.net] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:34 AM To: Chris Stann; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: List Sticker and Hat lawsuit]]]

did i spell this right fu(k OFF!! ITS FRIDAY/ plus get out of my face

Joe aka LAMER magnet

Chris Stann <ChrisS@INFORMS.COM> wrote: Oh yeah. THAT will convince them.

$$$ makes the world go around. Like it or not, VW was about money in the

beginning, and it is about money now. The bottom line of the company always was, and always is PROFIT. VW has shifted their focus away from the "people's car," an area in the car market without much profit and mark-up

these days, to the more upscale and competitive product. Frankly, I welcome the change. VW is the only affordable German car maker doing business in

the U.S. Thousands of people must agree with me since VW has sold cars like proverbial hot cakes last year.

I think you should be upset at the Japanese car companies instead. They are the ones that competed against VW, and won, back in the 70's. That's why

your people's car is dead. VW is only doing what it takes to SURVIVE. It's called PROGRESS and I understand that CHANGE is a little hard for some people to accept or understand.

Chris.

P.S. Next time you run out of words, may suggest using the dictionary instead of cursing?

-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf Of Joe Fortino Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:12 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: List Sticker and Hat lawsuit]]

I understand this, but the " new bug " is a huge hepa ???? and i never really feel into the bracket of loving the jetta's or gti's ( even tho- i owned a 92 that just had issues )

half the people driving these newer VW's have no clue or respect for " real VW drivers " heck i used the dealer once this year so I think we all play into the POT.. * if ya add it up.. anyway its really about the PEOPLES CAR not this B.S about $$$ flow, some people have turned it into a big profit banking of false shit..

please no more long winded posts about VWOA, becuase they are about shit!!!!!!!!!1

Alan Bosch <arbosch@RA.ROCKWELL.COM> wrote: Joe wrote...

<<<snip>>>...why is the frig'n VWOA so hell bent on chasing people that love thier cars...<<<snip>>>

VWOA could care less about the people that really love VW's. As a matter

of course, the enthiasist does not bring profits to the company. Think about it. When was the last time you brought your Vanagon to a dealer for service? If you don't bring it to the dealer for service, when was the last time you stepped foot into the dealer parts department to buy gen-u-whine VW parts? I would dare say that a great majority of the members of this esteemed list do not and will not have any interaction with a VW dealer. Face it -- most of us bought our VW's used. I personally have owned 10 and have only bought two new. And because of this, we, as a group -- albiet an enthusatic group -- do not bring profits to VW.

VW has every right to go after people for trademark infringements or violations. It may not make sense, it may not be the right thing to do, and indeed may futher alienate a dedicated group of VW fans from considering future new VW purchases. But it is within their right. Can you companies like GE, Westinghouse, Microsoft (sorry for the offensive language...), Dell, Pepsi, not enforcing their trademark rights? Neither

can I.

I don't like what VW is doing. In fact, I think it stinks. But I can understand it. And personally, that POS '94 Jetta III was the last new VW I'll ever buy. VW may be popular again, but in my book, they may as well

be GM products...

Alan Bosch & Phred ('88 Wolfsburg) Formerly (for VWOA's sake): '69, '71, '73 Bugs '82 Rabbit L '82 Rabbit Diesel '83 GTi '88 Fox GL Sport '92 Passat CL '94 POS Jetta III

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