Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:43:52 -0700
Reply-To: '80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
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From: '80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
Subject: Re: Can't get '80 Vanagon to pass emissions
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I drive an 80 too and I am glad that Ontario doesn't test vehicles that old... not that I don't think I'd pass but I just don't need the pressure. 1980 Canadian Vanagons were not equippped with Catalytic Converters.
See if the post below helps you:
Thanks,
Chris
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Reply-To: Steve Blackham <steph@uswest.net>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:42:13 -0600
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Confessions of a Emissions Passer
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------We are not talking a flatulent here!
Last summer on my trip through the northwest my catalytic converter
began to ring like a bell. When I returned home and removed it, the
goodies inside just fell out in crumbs. Not having a spare $120 I
just put the empty shell back on. It has run great ever since.
Anticipating trouble in getting past my yearly emissions test this
month I started a month early. April-17 I got my first test with the
following readings:
2500 RPM (actually 2629)
HC CO%
Standard 220 1.2%
Readings 87 0.87%
Passed Passed
Idle (923 RPM)
Standard 220 1.2%
Readings 871 1.53%
Failed Failed
I think these figures don't look like they are caused by the cat.
Cruising is fine, idle is the problem and HC is the problem. It's
running slightly rich at idle. Hmmm. Better check the exhaust
system for leaks before the CAT. Sure enough, the exhaust manifold Y
gaskets are shot again and leaking just enough to corrupt the
exhaust mixture at idle. I replaced these gaskets and tried out my
new CO meter I ordered from JCWhitney (critique coming later). I
found it still hard to get the correct CO values for both idle and
2500 RPM. When I would get it right for one it would knock the other
off. Idle still seemed to be the problem. Adjusted it to the best
place I could get and took it back for another test as follows:
2500 RPM (actually 2583)
HC CO%
Standard 220 1.2%
Readings 57 0.84%
Passed Passed
Idle (987 RPM)
Standard 220 1.2%
Readings 338 1.01%
Failed Passed
Better but still not quite there. Why was CO within range but HC
still high. Originally thought it was the FPR (fuel pressure
regulator) because my idle readings appeared to be 31 #s. Well, I
ordered a new one and the new FPR came up with the same readings. My
gauge must be a couple of #'s off. OK thats not it, WHAT? I took an
hour or two and reread my "Probst" fuel injection manuals which seem
to indicate that normally high HC levels are ignition problems.
Since I just replaced the plugs and the rotor still looked good I
figured I'd better look at timing. I had originally thought that the
digifant ignition system was like the new Ford systems where you
didn't need to adjust the timing unless you had disturbed the
distributor. In checking "Bentley" I find not so. I followed the
directions in Bentley for checking timing with a timing light,
disconnected the Temp II wires, and the engine went immediately to
2500 rpm. This is the speed that " Bentley" says that is necessary
to test timing. The readings show that it is about 20 degrees
advanced. I adjust the distributor housing to bring the reading to
the case half mark and the engine drops in speed. The exhaust
immediatly turns from the pungent smell of high HC to a more normal
smell.
I re-adjust the idle and 3000 rpm CO readings using both the CO
meter and a volt meter on the O2 sensor and things seem to match this
time. The engine seems to purr. It doesn't hunt any more. Road
test shows good power in all loads. Great I think. She should pass
this time.
This morning, I took her back in for a retest. A little gun shy I
ask them to just test the CO amd HC readings off the county system
first to see where we were. CO was fine at about .6% . HC was still
a problem at around 300. I quickly pulled an allen wrench and screw
driver out and began adjusting the AFM and throttle body idle
adjustments. By raising CO a little, HC seemed to drop.
Understandable if you've ever seen the relation between these two
charted. If I raised the idle up a little to the mid 900's things
seemed to get better. HC dropped to around 80. Not bad for a
vehicle without a CAT. This should do it and asked for the official
test:
2500 RPM (actually 2574)
HC CO%
Standard 220 1.2%
Readings 32 0.72%
Passed Passed
Idle (977 RPM)
Standard 220 1.2%
Readings 130 0.84%
PASSED! Passed
In retrospect, my problems seemed to be an exhaust leak, bad timing,
fine tuning of the AFM wheel, air by pass and throttle idle setting.
No doubt a fresh CAT would improve these figures but this is not bad
(for me or the enviroment).
One down and eleven more to fix ( or at least adjust). My son's
Jetta is next on the list. Oh, the whoes of a multi-VW owner.
--
Steve Blackham
Centerville, Utah
77 transporter converted to camper (Westy top)
83 Vanagon (New and current project)
87 Weekender
On Fri, 01 June 2001, Grant Bessom wrote:
>
> My 1980 Vanagon did not pass the emissions test. The test consists of both
> idle and 2500 rpm runs. It was too high on both Carbon Monoxide and the
> hydrocarbons. Any suggestions? Is there a way to correct/trick it so that
> I can drive my Vanagon again?
>
> Peace
>
> Direct reply's/cc's would be appreciated.
>
> Grant Bessom
> 86 Audi 5ktqcs 240k miles. chip/cam/lowered (most useful)
> 69 Beetle 2.0ltr stroked/cam/45mm Dellortos (not your fathers bug)
> 85 Audi 5ks, my first, bought it back for $80 (forsale)
> 82 Audi 4ks Diesel 375k+ miles, $free (can't wait till she runs)
> 80 Vanagon Westy
> Dulles VA (northern va)
Thanks,
Chris Gronski
'80 Westy "Pokey" - SLOPOKEY
'87 Chevrolet Sprint - Ice Racer
'91 Pontiac Firefly - Convertable
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