Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 10:08:03 -0700
Reply-To: Bill N <freeholder@STARBAND.NET>
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From: Bill N <freeholder@STARBAND.NET>
Subject: Re: Opinions from TIICO customers
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Apparently you disagree with the way Mr. Peter does business. In fact, most
businesses of this type (importer) are esentially paper shufflers. I sell
computers. I order them from my builder and, in many cases, have them drop
shipped directly to customers. For this I make a profit. If someone
doesn't like that, they are free to buy their computers someplace else.
That doesn't make them, or me, a bad guy. If I took their money and they
didn't get their computers, that would be different, but it seems that all
actual customers who have ordered the TIICO conversion have had no problems.
I think my prices are fair. If my customer disagrees, he should shop
elsewhere. Again, that doesn't make him, or me, a bad guy.
There is risk in doing business. I buy and sell on Ebay. There is risk
involved. When I sell, I have no risk, because I won't ship until I have
full payment, so on Ebay the buyer assumes all risk. When I buy at Walmart
or Sears, I don't pay until I have the goods, so the seller is assuming all
risk (unless my check bounces). There is no moral imperative for the risk
to be on one side or the other. I know businesses that won't take checks.
They don't want the risk. If that bothers me, I can shop elsewhere. It
isn't wrong of them, it is just a business decision.
If you don't like the price or terms, shop elsewhere. If everyone shops
elsewhere, the business will fail. If enough are satisfied with the price
and terms, the business will thrive. The marketplace makes the decision.
That's how capitalism works. And yes, I freely admit to being a capitalist.
I haven't ever worked for anyone else. I have owned my own businesses for
35 years. Oh, and when I started selling computers, I required payment up
front. The customer then had to wait a week for delivery. Now I only
require 1/2 up front.
If you have a bad business experience with someone, say so, but I think it
wrong to call someone names (creep, flim-flam man) when you have never done
business with them and thus have no information. In addition, it makes you
look foolish.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Kay" <CTONLINE@WEBTV.NET>
> It really rubs me wrong to see or hear about some creep manipulating
> folks for a hard earned, ridiculous sum of money, and he isn't even
> anything more than a paper shuffler.
> I'm not at all implicating, that Mr. Peter, isn't, hasen't, or won't
> deliver, but I have a hard time with the fact that he is nothing more
> than an order taker, forwarding an order to SA for an engine conversion,
> and for this intense, grueling, and difficult task, he Demands 100% of
> the funds up front.
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