Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:36:41 -0500
Reply-To: John Rodgers <jhrodgers@CHARTER.NET>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: John Rodgers <jhrodgers@CHARTER.NET>
Subject: Re: censorship
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Bill, I go with Tom on this one. In this case I think it is simply a
matter of the Vanagon List being the wrong venue for either photo or
links to other sites that display explicit sex, period. It has no place
here.
AS list administrator, Tom has the absolute right to manage this as he
sees fit, and in this case I certainly go with him. At the least, his
actions serve to protect the list, the server, and Gerry. So I'll not
complain. If I want to pollute my brain with lurids there are plenty of
places besides the Vanagon List.
YEA TOM!!!
John Rodgers
88 GL Driver
Bill Kasper wrote:
>
> on 6/19/01 8:44 AM, Bill N at freeholder@STARBAND.NET wrote:
> >
> > Censorship always starts because some well-meaning person thinks they know
> > what is best for the group. It happens because some person or group feels
> > morally justified in imposing their view of how things should be on everyone.
> > The people who do this think they are right, but they are not. I know you
> > mean well, but your attitude is more dangerous to our freedoms than any
> > outside enemy.
> >
>
> i've seen this discussion of "freedom of speech" on many moderated lists.
> we must remember, this list is moderated by tom, and there are certain
> rights of ownership that go with this moderation. hell, he has the servers
> and the archives, right? so tom can define porn any way he wants, and
> impose his will upon us with nary a second thought. i think folk who see it
> as a free speech issue are driving down the wrong path (with a worn afm,
> rvc).
>
> i for one don't care one way or another about porn being posted here. but
> if tom makes the decision that it should not be, i accept that
> decision...truthfully, it's his to make, regardless of whether i accept it
> or not. i am so thankful to his hosting of this list, and his moderation of
> it, i cannot express how much so.
>
> ultimately, if i don't like tom's methods of moderation, i can go away...or
> give tom enough grief so that *he* goes away. anyone else want the headache
> and cost of hosting the vanagon list?
>
> speak up, i can't hear you...
>
> bill
> '87 syncro westfalia
> http://www.scruznet.com/~kasper/pics/westy/
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