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Date:         Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:52:07 -0700
Reply-To:     Bill N <freeholder@STARBAND.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Bill N <freeholder@STARBAND.NET>
Subject:      Re: censorship
Comments: To: Bill Kasper <dragonlist@ipmts.ucsc.edu>
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> we must remember, this list is moderated by tom, and there are certain > rights of ownership that go with this moderation. hell, he has the servers > and the archives, right? so tom can define porn any way he wants, and > impose his will upon us with nary a second thought

Yes, he has the power to do that. Having the power doesn't make it right. I have the power to object, and I did.

> if tom makes the decision that it should not be, i accept that > decision...truthfully, it's his to make, regardless of whether i accept it > or not

It is his decision, and I accept his right to make it. I hope he respects my right to disagree. It does not, in truth, really affect me, as I have no interest in posting links of that type. I still think the decision was wrong, and, worse, biased in favor of some religious/moral views at the expense of others equally valid.

> ultimately, if i don't like tom's methods of moderation, i can go away...or > give tom enough grief so that *he* goes away.

I can also protest what I see as a wrong decision. I protested when Coyote banned the discussion of where to best store your firearm in a Vanagon. I always speak up on issues of free speech.

> anyone else want the headache > and cost of hosting the vanagon list? > speak up, i can't hear you...

I have been involved with this list for a long time. I was involved when it was in California, and when it was moved to Canada, I was one of those who volunteered to host it. When it moved again, I volunteered again. I have also, over the years, donated money on several occasions. I have supported the list for a long time. If you can't hear me, you aren't listening.

Bill Nolan Willcox, AZ


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