Date:         Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:24:01 -0700
Reply-To:     Dale Goodvin <dgoodvin@YAHOO.COM>
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From:         Dale Goodvin <dgoodvin@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: communists
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capitalism:  calling people who don't have health care lazy. as good a
definition as I've heard in a long time.

dg

--- pederparizek <pederparizek@QWEST.NET> wrote:
> I guess we are the only true capitalist society left in the free
> world. And that is a good thing.
> You know what, John, I don't pay a damn cent for my health care. Do
> you know why? Because I have a union job that the employer pays 100%.
> Guess what, there are plenty of those kinds of jobs out there. But
> people are too lazy to get off their asses and work.
> As for all of the countries that have "free" health care, who is
> really paying for it? I bet if you asked people in these countries
> how much they pay in taxes, it would be close to 45% of their income.
> So you see, it is not free. They are still paying for it, but instead
> of some company with shareholders that make a profit too; they are
> paying it to the government and no one but the government is making a
> profit.
> And as for this "free" health care, why do so many Canadians come
> done here to get treatment? Sure, they have cheaper drugs, but at
> what cost. Our cost here in America. Do you know why? The Canadian
> government tells drug companies how much they can charge., and most
> of the time it is at a loss to said drug companies. So, in order to
> make up this loss the drug companies charge you and I more. So yet
> again, someone is still paying for this "free" health care.
> Nothing is free. Everything has a price and that's the way capitalism
> works. And capitalism is what makes this a great country.
> Peace out,
> Peder
> '84 Westy
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: John Pronk
>   To: pederparizek ; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>   Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:13 PM
>   Subject: Re: America
>
>
>   Most western countries outside of the USA have "free" health care
> as you call it. They are not communist countries.
>   They believe society should share the cost of providing a basic
> health care level for all its citizens. This is achieved through
> taxes or levies of some kind. They do not believe that a basic level
> of health care should be directly related to the size of your wallet.
> The same applies to education.
>   By your definition the following countries are communist
>   UK
>   Germany
>   Australia
>   New Zealand
>   Netherlands
>   Switzerland
>   Ireland
>   Austria
>   Denmark
>   Sweden
>   Norway
>   France
>   etc etc etc.
>   This must mean you are the only non communist country in the world!
>   Regards
>   John.
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: pederparizek
>     To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>     Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 20:54
>     Subject: Re: America
>
>
>     These people are not bums, they are communists. These are the
> same people that want the government to give us free health care
> (communism). What's next free housing, free cars, free food. Everyone
> needs to realize that just because it is free to you, means that
> someone else is paying for it.
>     Here in America we pay for what we want.
>     Peace out,
>     Peder
>     '84 Westy
>
>       If I may add to what you wrote, selling on the list is allowed
> on the list.
>       So anyone who complains about it is on weak footing.
>
>       I sell things occasionally it's a service to the Vanagon
> community. No one
>       except communists or bums expect it for free. even when I have
> been broke, I
>       chose to go without rather than beg.
>       So, we bring back the meaning of the term bum-a person who is
> not willing to
>       work for what he wants, and thinks everyone owes him a living,
> or vanagon
>       parts for free.
>
>       But the politically correct way of addressing them is
> now(homeless). My Mom
>       used to warn when I was young-"you don't want to become like
> the bums on skid
>       road, do you"?Bums!
>       I have got a lot of vanagon stuff free-does that make me a bum?
> Well, we used
>       to have a junkyard, and stuff was free on the hulked vanagons
> heading to the
>       crusher...
>
>       Robert K
>       1982 Westfalia
>


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"In most cases there is no free exercise whatever ... of the moral sense."--Henry David Thoreau

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