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Date:         Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:47:27 -0400
Reply-To:     Joe Reed <joe.reed@MINDSPRING.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Joe Reed <joe.reed@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Stick to Vanagons?
Comments: To: Malcolm Stebbins <MSTEBBIN@MSVU1.MSVU.CA>

I cannot disagree with you more. The nature of this list goes beyond mere mechanics of a lump of metal and plastics. I suspect many of us could not truly explain our attractions to these vehicles, and that is precisely why we remain so devoted to them, and brings us together.

In times of horror and grief -- and if you don't feel horror and grief after yesterday, I have nothing but pity for you -- it's only natural that we reach out to friends and loved ones to bond together. We are undeniably a social creature, and so much of our strength and ability to overcome enormous tragedy lies in that fact.

And for many of us, I also suspect that this list is more than purely an informational source...it also provides a connection to people who share something intangible with ourselves. Total strangers? Sure...but nevertheless, there is that bond.

I'm not at all suggesting that the list should be flooded with political rhetoric. But to suggest that we ignore the enormous tragedy that affects the entire planet to one degree or another, to mandate that we restrict our communications to what is ultimately a trivial nature...this, in my belief, is a suggestion that we deny the kinship many of us feel with the other human beings in this forum.

The messages offering assistance, or the messages asking for help in locating missing loved ones, or the messages simply expressing condolences and support for us all -- if these messages in some way offend you, disturb you, or distract you, then I suggest you remain silent and delete them. If you can't understand our desire to reach out, please don't try to censor it.

As I was writing this I learned that a colleague was in Tower 2 and is still missing. I sit here filled with helpless rage and sadness. And in ultimate irony, though he is not a list member, he owns a Vanagon -- something that transcended the impersonal nature of a working relationship and made us friends.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Stebbins" <MSTEBBIN@MSVU1.MSVU.CA> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Stick to Vanagons?

> I agree, STICK TO VANAGONs on this list. Malcolm > > On 12 Sep 2001, at 8:09, Ed Carroll wrote: > > > Politics and revenge and list community generosity are all > > fine topics, but could we stick to Vanagons? > > > > Ed Carroll


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