Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:35:18 -0700
Reply-To: David Marshall <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
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From: David Marshall <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
Subject: Re: communists
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So... you're lazy if you don't belong to a Union employer... wow... news to
me - I am quite sure it is news to many other people too. At my 'day' job,
I work under a Union and I strongly feel that Unions protect the weak and
lazy so they can keep their jobs. It is almost impossible for where I work
at to fire me... that is so STUPID! Work a fair and honest day and you have
no problems is my feelings - slack off and get canned - it all makes sense
to me. Now let me ask you this question... who pays for you to be a member
of your Union... um... let's see... it's YOU - no doubt about good chunk of
your cheque goes the all mighty union, your medical plan, social committee,
pension plan, etc etc so in effect YOU are paying for YOUR medical plan as
well as the rest of your colleagues... hmmm... let's see, this is the same
as Canada, UK, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, Netherlands, Switzerland,
Ireland, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, France etc etc etc. Sounds very
hypocritical to me don't you think?
David Marshall - Volkswagen Enthusiast Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada
78 VW Rabbit [1.8L]
85 Golf [1.6TD]
87 Audi 5000 Quattro [stock]
88 VW Syncro Double Cab [2.0L I4]
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http://www.fastforward.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf Of
pederparizek
Sent: September 14, 2001 2:14 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: communists
I guess we are the only true capitalist society left in the free world. And
that is a good thing.
You know what, John, I don't pay a damn cent for my health care. Do you know
why? Because I have a union job that the employer pays 100%. Guess what,
there are plenty of those kinds of jobs out there. But people are too lazy
to get off their asses and work.
As for all of the countries that have "free" health care, who is really
paying for it? I bet if you asked people in these countries how much they
pay in taxes, it would be close to 45% of their income. So you see, it is
not free. They are still paying for it, but instead of some company with
shareholders that make a profit too; they are paying it to the government
and no one but the government is making a profit.
And as for this "free" health care, why do so many Canadians come done here
to get treatment? Sure, they have cheaper drugs, but at what cost. Our cost
here in America. Do you know why? The Canadian government tells drug
companies how much they can charge., and most of the time it is at a loss to
said drug companies. So, in order to make up this loss the drug companies
charge you and I more. So yet again, someone is still paying for this "free"
health care.
Nothing is free. Everything has a price and that's the way capitalism works.
And capitalism is what makes this a great country.
Peace out,
Peder
'84 Westy
----- Original Message -----
From: John Pronk
To: pederparizek ; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: America
Most western countries outside of the USA have "free" health care as you
call it. They are not communist countries.
They believe society should share the cost of providing a basic health care
level for all its citizens. This is achieved through taxes or levies of some
kind. They do not believe that a basic level of health care should be
directly related to the size of your wallet. The same applies to education.
By your definition the following countries are communist
UK
Germany
Australia
New Zealand
Netherlands
Switzerland
Ireland
Austria
Denmark
Sweden
Norway
France
etc etc etc.
This must mean you are the only non communist country in the world!
Regards
John.
----- Original Message -----
From: pederparizek
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 20:54
Subject: Re: America
These people are not bums, they are communists. These are the same people
that want the government to give us free health care (communism). What's
next free housing, free cars, free food. Everyone needs to realize that just
because it is free to you, means that someone else is paying for it.
Here in America we pay for what we want.
Peace out,
Peder
'84 Westy
If I may add to what you wrote, selling on the list is allowed on the list.
So anyone who complains about it is on weak footing.
I sell things occasionally it's a service to the Vanagon community. No one
except communists or bums expect it for free. even when I have been broke, I
chose to go without rather than beg.
So, we bring back the meaning of the term bum-a person who is not willing to
work for what he wants, and thinks everyone owes him a living, or vanagon
parts for free.
But the politically correct way of addressing them is now(homeless). My Mom
used to warn when I was young-"you don't want to become like the bums on
skid
road, do you"?Bums!
I have got a lot of vanagon stuff free-does that make me a bum? Well, we
used
to have a junkyard, and stuff was free on the hulked vanagons heading to the
crusher...
Robert K
1982 Westfalia
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