Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:23:24 -0800
Reply-To: Bryan Belman <dieselwesty@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Bryan Belman <dieselwesty@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Diesel Exapansion Tank Problem Solution
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Well Myron, I have two reason for you.
1. Way to much work.
2. I have my old 1.6l motor that most likely needs
rings and head gasket. You are welcome to it. Need
to pick it up or I can frieght it to you.
I live in NJ.
Bryan Belman
Pt. Pleasant, NJ.
Let me know if interested.
--- Myron Lind <mdlind@RICA.NET> wrote:
> Hi Maynard, I was glad to hear you made it home in
> great shape!
>
> I have a general question about all the cooling
> hoses on the
> diesels. Has anyone ever welded or brazed all (or
> some) the angles
> and "T"s out of steel/copper/stainless, leaving
> mostly straight
> hose sections that could be sourced almost anywhere?
> I realize
> that the engine needs to "move" in relation to the
> coolant pipes
> and expansion tanks (or they could maybe be mounted
> on the motor
> itself?). Aside from the difficulty of the actual
> fabrication,
> what would be good reasons to NOT try this?
>
> Myron Lind
> 81 Westy
> 82 Westy diesel, wanting a motor
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maynard Southard <echomhs@GIS.NET>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Diesel Exapansion Tank Problem Solution
>
>
> > I have posted a couple of pictures of two
> different OEM diesel
> Vanagon
> > Expansion Tank/Hose set ups. See:
> >
>
http://www.gis.net/~southard/Projects/VanagonCoolantHoses.htm
> >
> > Until I acquired my '86 Diesel Double Cab, I had
> wondered
> exactly how the later
> > "plastic pipe" setup differed from my '82 metal
> pipe setup. I
> hope these
> > pictures help others understand the difference.
> >
> > Maynard Southard (OvO) '79
> > '86 Double Cab Diesel "Col. Potter"
> > '82 Westy Diesel "Reinhardt"
> > '82 Vanagon GL Diesel "Sluggo"
> > '93 EV GL "Klinger"
> > '00 Golf GLS TDI "WooHoo"
> > '84 Jetta GL TD "Donor"
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:07 PM, Michael
> Snow
> <mwsnow@HOME.COM> wrote:
> > > Ken, we are thinking along the same lines. I
> want to do this
> to my '82
> > > diesel. From what I can see in ETKA, the
> '84-'85 diesel
> Vanagons use
> > > the same plastic coolant pipes as the
> waterboxers. Hoses that
> are made
> > > for the plastic pipes will not work with the
> steel coolant
> pipes found
> > > on the diesel. The plastic pipes are much
> larger at the ends
> than the
> > > older steel version.
> > >
> > > In addition, the '82 diesel has different steel
> coolant pipes
> than the
> > > '83. They are the same diameter, but they do
> not terminate in
> the same
> > > location in the engine bay. It appears to be an
> all or
> nothing
> > > conversion. The hoses, expansion tank, and
> coolant pipes must
> all be
> > > from the same year vehicle. I agree that this
> is a worthwhile
> > > conversion, but the expenses and the amount of
> work involved
> are greater
> > > than a simple hose/tank replacement.
> > >
> > > Mike Snow
> > > '82 Westfalia diesel
> > > '83 ASI diesel
> > >
> > >
> > > KENWILFY@AOL.COM wrote:
> > >
> > > > The diesel Vanagon owners on this list know
> that some of
> their coolant
> > > > parts have become no longer available. One of
> the parts
> that is the
> > > > most elusive is the original diesel coolant
> tank. These are
> no longer
> > > > made and any that you may come across would be
> NOS only.
> This has been
> > > > a problem for a while and people have been
> epoxying their
> old tanks or
> > > > buying used tanks to keep their vans going.
> Now I have a
> possible
> > > > solution.
> > > >
> > > > I have found that with the use of a newer
> style big hose
> (that large
> > > > hose that has two "T" connections built into
> it) and a newer
> style lower
> > > > hose, you can retrofit in the expansion tank
> from an '84-85
> Vanagon.
> > > > These tanks are much cheaper than the old
> tanks ($29 vs
> $95) and much
> > > > easier to get. I have the parts available for
> someone to do
> this
> > > > retrofit. Here is what is needed:
> > > > 1- Expansion Tank w/cap- $29
> > > > 1- Upper coolant hose (big one with all the
> "T"s)- $120
> > > > 1- Lower coolant hose- $90
> > > > 1- Sender for coolant level (needed to plug
> the hole for
> this in the
> > > > tank)- $9
> > > > Your total before shipping- $248
> > > >
> > > > The mounting of the expansion tank is a little
> different,
> however if you
> > > > could get a bracket from a junk Vanagon
> (84-91) or just
> fabricate one
> > > > yourself the mounting is quite simple.
> > > >
> > > > This is just a suggestion. If you balk at
> replacing these
> hoses along
> > > > with your tank, understand that at this point
> your hoses are
> probably
> > > > almost 20 years old (if they have never been
> replaced) and
> one of these
> > > > hoses (the larger one) is no longer available
> at the dealer.
> Now would
> > > > be the time to replace these hoses as well
> since their
> availability is
> > > > not going to increase over time, only the
> opposite.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ken Wilford
> > > > John 3:16
> > > > www.vanagain.com
> > > > Phone: (856)-765-1583
> > > > Fax: (856)-327-2242
> >
=====
Bryan Belman, Pt. Pleasant, NJ
90 Audi 200 FWD (Money Pit)
82 Westy Diesel (1.9l NA...running good)
70 Type 1 Std. beetle (Bahama bug)
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