Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:15:34 -0600
Reply-To: Terry Kay <CTONLINE@WEBTV.NET>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Terry Kay <CTONLINE@WEBTV.NET>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Metal engine lids - what year?]
In-Reply-To: Pat Dooley <pdooley@GTE.NET>'s message of Mon, 19 Nov 2001
19:27:27 -0500
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Pat,
Well let me assist your thought process here----try and weld a diesel
fuel tank without filling it with carbon monoxide, or totally flushing
it out with muriatic and water--- diesel fumes won't ignite with an open
flame huh?
Well the truck fuel tank I was welding on about 2 month's ago, is now
rearranged, to a new form because the diesel fumes won't ignite------
This theory that diesel is not explosive, is an old wives tale-----
And I also knew a friend of mine who blew himself up by gas welding an
empty gas tank tears ago------Yea, gas fumes do blow--but so do diesel
And we were talking about units on the road---not miles on them.
No baiting and switching here-----
Later,
Terry
E-mail message From Pat Dooley
ahh, you obviously have not witnessed a gas-vapor fire up close and
personal.
diesel vapors won't burn in the presence of an open flame. you have a
much better chance of getting out unscathed.
apples to oranges. I will take the diesel any day.
any bet you want make if your being fair and comparing total miles
traveled per vehicle and taking the ratio of fires per vehicle on the
road. most 2-3 year old diesel rigs have more miles on them than any
vanagon on the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
Of Terry Kay
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:56 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Metal engine lids - what year?]
Patrick---
It's not to what, or when, or why, it's the "what if" that counts !!
Once is enough to really screw your day, month, or year up.
Who care's what kind of a fire it is, it's a fire, and diesel does
burn------
In an electrical fire, what is the difference what is powereing the
vehicle---it's all going anyway !!!
And I'll double the wager---only because there are one hell of allot
more trucks on the road than Vanagon's-----
Name the bet--I'm in.
E-mail message From Pat Dooley
jeeze, the slant on these threads is amazing. which vehicle would you
rather be in if an electrical fire broke out? gas or diesel? no brainer.
How many semi's burn compared to gas powered vehicles? my money is on
the gassers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
Of Terry Kay
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:27 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Metal engine lids - what year?]
So, MIke what your saying is a diesel isn't prone to electrical fire's?
Hmm---just saw a Mack burn last week.
Musta been a gas Mack-----
The fiberglass hood looked like it was a refugee from Nagasaki-----
Later,
Terry
E-mail message From Michael Snow
Even with my diesels, I noticed no increase in the noise level when I
switched to the plastic engine lid. The compelling advantage to me is
the weight of the lid. This is especially noticeable with the ridiculous
design of the bottom edge of the Westfalia rear cabinet. Hefting the
metal lid into position is not a job for those with weak backs (like the
wife). The steel lids are prone to bending (especially when dropped from
slippery hands) and the insulation is invariably sagging and damaged.
I'll concede that the steel lid may give marginally better protection to
the van interior during an engine fire. Since I only drive diesels,
that's not one of my concerns.
Mike Snow
andrewbell wrote:
Man, oh man. I wasn't misunderstanding. I, too, have poked around lots
and lots of Vans and other busses, but have never encountered the
plastic lid. Isn't it noisy? Is it strong enough to ensure a load? What
happens in the event of an engine fire? Torched passengers? Doesn't
sound safe. Why would you want to have a plastic engine compartment lid?
Weight savings? Manufacturing cost? Sounds like a dumb idea. I say buy a
metal one from Chris...
AB
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