Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:24:19 -0800
Reply-To: Aristotle Sagan <killer_jupiter@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Aristotle Sagan <killer_jupiter@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: [vanagon] Re: TIICO vs. CA
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The point being, is they were going to look no matter what. If they tested
it without noticing that it had a I4 in it, then they could be libel for
having their certification pulled. Visual checks are a mandatory part of the
CARB inspection.
As far as I know, only Kennedy has done the work to get the Subaru
conversion using early 90's Legacys through the system. As Peter is actively
pursuing it, great. But wait till you see the signatures on the dotted line.
Where's BenT when you need him?
tim
>I've got a Tiico engine sitting in a crate here in California. This lack
>of a difinitve answer prompted me to call Peter at Tiico.
>
>Peter says that he is actively pursuing getting an "exectutive order"
>from the ARB, as well as working through the BAR process.
>
>He feels confident that the issue will be resolved by the end of the
>year. He stated that he is in this "for the long haul" and is determined
>to resolve the California issue.
>
>Even so, some California conversions are getting certified under the
>current system.
>
>Peter did verify the "gross polluter" story described below.
>
>I left the conversation satisfied that I'll soon be incompliance and
>able to pass smog here in California.
>
>
>
>
>Aristotle Sagan wrote:
> >
> > Sorry Ken, your leg was pulled.
> > All vehicles go through a visual inspection before they hook up the
>sensors.
> > They check for specific emmissions control items such as EGR valves,
>type of
> > fuel system, number of cylinders, etc. If you mucked with it, it fails.
>They
> > won't even do the test.
> > Some of these people have really wierd test setups though. One guy had
>this
> > huge butterfly shaped inductance sensor that couldn't pick out just the
>one
> > ignition wire that it was suppose to. We wound up putting it over the
> > battery.! It worked. ???
> >
> > I thinks tiico needs to do their homework like Kennedy did with the
>Subaru
> > conversion kits to be fair to their California customers. If I were
>gonna do
> > a conversion... Subie power it would be just for that reason. Or find a
> > holed diesel westy and do the I4 that way.
> >
> > Do I think the system is right or fair? Nope, but we live with it and
>our
> > air beats the heck out of NYC, Wash DC and most other East Coast Cities.
> > That's a far cry from what it was like in the mid seventies when I
>stationed
> > out here.
> >
> > tim obrien (breathing relatively clean air) in San Jose
> >
> > >I talked to Peter about how this problem with smog in California
>happened
> > >since he had some vans that passed smog in that state. He said that a
> > >Vanagon with a waterboxer in it had been flagged by an earlier
>inspection
> > >as
> > >a "gross polluter". When the customer went back to the inspection
>station
> > >with the much cleaner running Tiico, this set off all kinds of alarms
>at
> > >the
> > >smog center. Why did this van go from being a heavy smoker to a clean
> > >burner? They looked under the lid and saw the evil non-stock engine
> > >configuration and didn't pass it. I mean who cares if the engine in
>there
> > >now is cleaner burning than the waterboxer ever was? The only thing
>that
> > >matters is that all of the proper hoops were jumped through and that
>the
> > >proper palms are greased. Give me a break!!!
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Ken Wilford
> > >John 3:16
> > >www.vanagain.com
> > >Phone: (856)-765-1583
> > >Fax: (856)-327-2242
> >
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