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Date:         Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:28:27 -0800
Reply-To:     mike miller <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         mike miller <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
Subject:      Re: Shape of the world - No Direct content to Listg Groups
Comments: To: Ray Hunnam <hunnam@pnc.com.au>
In-Reply-To:  <000d01c17861$436c0cc0$f1fb5bcb@hunnam>
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I know you said no direct content but... please refrain from postings such as this. No direct content doesn't mean license to post whatever you wish.

In other words, find another forum please.

Mike Miller Sacramento

> From: Ray Hunnam <hunnam@PNC.COM.AU> > Reply-To: Ray Hunnam <hunnam@PNC.COM.AU> > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:06:02 +1100 > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Shape of the world - No Direct content to Listg Groups > > I thought I would share this with all of you. My eldest daughter sent it to > me. She is no way a religious person but I then to that at least she is > thinking. > > Ray Hunnam > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisa Hunnam" <hunnam.lisa@shg.com.au> > To: <saza@ihug.com.au>; <sapphirechik@hotmail.com>; > <fraserj@wahs.nsw.gov.au>; <mjglover@gio.com.au>; > <Lisa.HOWARD@suncorpmetway.com.au>; <Jeannie.Hunnam@tafensw.edu.au>; > <hunnam@pnc.com.au>; <jonathan@stockland.com.au>; > <von_ireland@yahoo.com.au>; <mlance@aapt.com.au>; <kyliel@stockland.com.au>; > <hmcburn@laansw.com.au>; <asearle@abbotttout.com.au>; > <katie@stockland.com.au>; <smileychick81@hotmail.com>; > <vman129@hotmail.com>; <jasonw@stockland.com.au>; <sy@oticon.com.au>; > <sarah_271080@hotmail.com> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:17 AM > Subject: Shape of the world > > >> >> >>>> This may help explain why the World is in the state that it is... >>>> Ray. >>>> >>>> Reportedly a True Story >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Billy Graham's daughter, Anne, was being interviewed on the Early Show >>> about >>>> recent events in America, and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God > let >>>> something like this happen?" >>>> >>>> Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. >>>> She said, "I believe that God is deeply saddened by this, just as we >> are, >>>> but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get >> out >>>> of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman >>> that >>>> He is, I believe that He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God >> to >>>> give us His blessing and His protection if we demand that He leave us >>>> alone?" >>>> >>>> >>>> I know there have been a lot of emails going around in regards to >> 9/11/01, >>>> but this really makes you think. If you don't have time, at least skim >>>> through it, but the bottom line is something to think about ... In >> light >>> of >>>> recent events...terrorist's attack, school shootings, etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> Let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray O'Hare (she was >>> murdered, >>>> her body was found recently) complained she didn't want any prayer in >> our >>>> schools, and we said OK. >>>> >>>> >>>> Then, someone said you better not read the Bible in school... the > Bible >>> that >>>> says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your > neighbour >> as >>>> yourself. >>>> >>>> And we said, OK. >>>> >>>> Then, Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when > they >>>> misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we >> might >>>> damage their self-esteem. (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). >>>> >>>> And we said, an expert should know what he's talking about so we said >> OK. >>>> >>>> Then, someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our >>>> children when they misbehave. And the school administrators said no >>> faculty >>>> member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave >> because >>> we >>>> don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued >> (There's >>>> big difference between disciplining and touching, beating, smacking, >>>> humiliating, kicking, etc.) And we said, OK. >>>> >>>> >>>> Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they > want, >>> and >>>> they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said, OK. >>>> >>>> >>>> Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and >>> they're >>>> going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want, >> so >>>> they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their >>>> parents they got them at school. And we said, OK. >>>> >>>> >>>> Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we >> do >>> in >>>> private as long as we do our jobs. And agreeing with them, we said it >>>> doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in >> private >>>> as long as I have a job and the economy is good. >>>> >>>> >>>> And then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude > women >>> and >>>> call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the >> female >>>> body. >>>> >>>> And we said, OK. >>>> >>>> And then someone else took that appreciation one-step further and >>> published >>>> pictures of nude children and then stepped further still by making > them >>>> available on the Internet. >>>> >>>> And we said OK; they're entitled to their free speech. >>>> >>>> And then the entertainment industry said; let's make TV shows and >> movies >>>> that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. And let's record >> music >>>> that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. >>>> >>>> And we said its just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, and >> nobody >>>> takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead. >>>> >>>> Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why >> they >>>> don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill >>>> strangers, their classmates, and themselves. >>>> >>>> >>>> Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it >> out. >>>> I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW." >>>> "Dear God, Why didn't you save the little girl killed in her > classroom? >> " >>>> Sincerely, Concerned Student... AND THE REPLY "Dear Concerned Student, >> I >>> am >>>> not allowed in schools". Sincerely, God. >>>> >>>> >>>> Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the >>>> world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, >> but >>>> question what the Bible says. >>>> >>>> >>>> Funny how everyone wants to go to heaven provided they do not have to >>>> believe, think, say, or do anything the Bible says. >>>> >>>> >>>> Funny how someone can say, "I believe in God" but still follow Satan >> who, >>> by >>>> the way, also "believes" in God. >>>> >>>> Funny how we are quick to judge but not to be judged. >>>> >>>> Funny how you can send a thousand 'jokes' through e-mail and they >> spread >>>> like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, >>>> people think twice about sharing. >>>> >>>> >>>> Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene pass freely through >>>> cyberspace, but the public discussion of God is suppressed in the >> school >>> and >>>> workplace. >>>> >>>> >>>> Funny how someone can be so fired up for Christ on Sunday, but be an >>>> invisible Christian the rest of the week. >>>> >>>> Are you laughing? >>>> >>>> Funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not send it to >>> many >>>> on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or > what >>> they >>>> will think of you for sending it to them. >>>> >>>> >>>> Funny how I can be more worried about what other people think of me >> than >>>> what God thinks of me. >>>> >>>> Are you thinking? >>>> Pass it on if you think it has merit. >>>> If not then just discard it ... no one will know that you did. But, if >> you >>>> discard this thought process, then don't sit back and complain about >> what >>> a >>>> bad shape the world is in! >> >> >> >> **** PROMOTIONS > *********************************************************** >> Saville Hotel Group offers the choice of apartment style living with more >> space and extra facilities in key locations throughout Australia. >> Our unique combination of traditional hotel services and fully equipped >> apartment facilities ensure your stay is Extraordinary Everyday. >> From now until 30 November, 2001 you can enjoy great spring specials at > all >> Saville Hotels. >> Call 1 300 557 575 or visit our website www.savillesuites.com >> >> > *************************************************************************** >> NOTICE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or >> entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and >> priviledged. >> If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly >> prohibited. >> If you received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately >> by return e-mail or telephone +61 2 8268 5600 and destroy the >> original message. >> >> Thank you. >> > *************************************************************************** >> >> >> >


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