John,

So what has this message got to do with Vanagons? Answer below my response to your message.

Just wanted to share with you (John & others) that I wholeheartedly ALMOST agree totally with you. I used to be an atheist, then agnostic, then studied every known religion over the years as well as visited many countries all over the world. I find most atheists I know to be more ethical than most "born agains" and also since the Internet I've discovered that many Americans do not realize that most people on the Internet are not necessarily "Christian" nor do they care about the silly preaching or cute sayings.

When people preach that syrup coated Billy Graham sugar coated stuff that the ignorant feed on in their loneliness for community belonging the Buddhists and other people around the world get really pissed off. On the Internet the "Billy Graham Christian types" are a minority.

We are now in a world community folks, so we should all stop preaching and start becoming more tolerant. It is time to be accepting not rejecting.

So what has this got to do with Vanagons? Go figure, Vanagons are owned by people all over the world. Even Christians.

William

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dagastino" <themisanthropicmeanie@YAHOO.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Shape of the world - No Direct content to Listg Groups

> Vanagon list is not place for this. > > besides, some of us have diff'rent beleifs. > not everyone is a Chr*stian. please keep that in mind, > before you post things like this. > > (i'm an atheist myself, and i don't find this to be > anything more than amusing, but some might be offended > by it.) > > thank you. > > --- Ray Hunnam <hunnam@PNC.COM.AU> wrote: > > I thought I would share this with all of you. My > > eldest daughter sent it to > > me. She is no way a religious person but I then to > > that at least she is > > thinking. > > > > Ray Hunnam > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lisa Hunnam" <hunnam.lisa@shg.com.au> > > To: <saza@ihug.com.au>; <sapphirechik@hotmail.com>; > > <fraserj@wahs.nsw.gov.au>; <mjglover@gio.com.au>; > > <Lisa.HOWARD@suncorpmetway.com.au>; > > <Jeannie.Hunnam@tafensw.edu.au>; > > <hunnam@pnc.com.au>; <jonathan@stockland.com.au>; > > <von_ireland@yahoo.com.au>; <mlance@aapt.com.au>; > > <kyliel@stockland.com.au>; > > <hmcburn@laansw.com.au>; > > <asearle@abbotttout.com.au>; > > <katie@stockland.com.au>; > > <smileychick81@hotmail.com>; > > <vman129@hotmail.com>; <jasonw@stockland.com.au>; > > <sy@oticon.com.au>; > > <sarah_271080@hotmail.com> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:17 AM > > Subject: Shape of the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This may help explain why the World is in the > > state that it is... > > > > > Ray. > > > > > > > > > > Reportedly a True Story > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Billy Graham's daughter, Anne, was being > > interviewed on the Early Show > > > > about > > > > > recent events in America, and Jane Clayson > > asked her "How could God > > let > > > > > something like this happen?" > > > > > > > > > > Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and > > insightful response. > > > > > She said, "I believe that God is deeply > > saddened by this, just as we > > > are, > > > > > but for years we've been telling God to get > > out of our schools, to get > > > out > > > > > of our government and to get out of our lives. > > And being the gentleman > > > > that > > > > > He is, I believe that He has calmly backed > > out. How can we expect God > > > to > > > > > give us His blessing and His protection if we > > demand that He leave us > > > > > alone?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know there have been a lot of emails going > > around in regards to > > > 9/11/01, > > > > > but this really makes you think. If you don't > > have time, at least skim > > > > > through it, but the bottom line is something > > to think about ... In > > > light > > > > of > > > > > recent events...terrorist's attack, school > > shootings, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see, I think it started when Madeline > > Murray O'Hare (she was > > > > murdered, > > > > > her body was found recently) complained she > > didn't want any prayer in > > > our > > > > > schools, and we said OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, someone said you better not read the > > Bible in school... the > > Bible > > > > that > > > > > says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not > > steal, and love your > > neighbour > > > as > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > And we said, OK. > > > > > > > > > > Then, Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't > > spank our children when > > they > > > > > misbehave because their little personalities > > would be warped and we > > > might > > > > > damage their self-esteem. (Dr. Spock's son > > committed suicide). > > > > > > > > > > And we said, an expert should know what he's > > talking about so we said > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > Then, someone said teachers and principals > > better not discipline our > > > > > children when they misbehave. And the school > > administrators said no > > > > faculty > > > > > member in this school better touch a student > > when they misbehave > > > because > > > > we > > > > > don't want any bad publicity, and we surely > > don't want to be sued > > > (There's > > > > > big difference between disciplining and > > touching, beating, smacking, > > > > > humiliating, kicking, etc.) And we said, OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then someone said, let's let our daughters > > have abortions if they > > want, > > > > and > > > > > they won't even have to tell their parents. > > And we said, OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then some wise school board member said, since > > boys will be boys and > > > > they're > > > > > going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all > > the condoms they want, > > > so > > > > > they can have all the fun they desire, and we > > won't have to tell their > > > > > parents they got them at school. And we said, > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then some of our top elected officials said it > > doesn't matter what we > > > do > > > > in > > > > > private as long as we do our jobs. And > > agreeing with them, we said it > > > > > doesn't matter to me what anyone, including > > the President, does in > > > private > > > > > as long as I have a job and the economy is > > good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And then someone said let's print magazines > > with pictures of nude > > women > > > > and > > > > > call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation > > for the beauty of the > > > female > > > > > body. > > > > > > > > > > And we said, OK. > > > > > > > > > > And then someone else took that appreciation > > one-step further and > > > > published > > > > > pictures of nude children and then stepped > > further still by making > > them > > > > > available on the Internet. > > > > > > > > > > And we said OK; they're entitled to their free > > speech. > > > > > > > > > > And then the entertainment industry said; > > let's make TV shows and > > > movies > > > > > that promote profanity, violence, and illicit > > sex. And let's record > > > music > > > > > that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, > > and satanic themes. > > > > > > > > > > And we said its just entertainment, it has no > > adverse effect, and > > > nobody > > > > > takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead. > > > > > > > > > > Now we're asking ourselves why our children > > have no conscience, why > > > they > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > "Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. " > - H. L. Mencken > "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world." > -Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden > More Quotation fun @ http://nerddom.8m.com/quotes.html > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1