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Date:         Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:18:31 -0800
Reply-To:     developtrust <developtrust@HOME.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         developtrust <developtrust@HOME.COM>
Subject:      Re: Mechanic says $250 muffler
Comments: To: brian Honan <cartruckbus@HOTMAIL.COM>
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I hope this information helps you. I think you can do way better than $250 for a muffler AND do some good upgrades to boot.

I have been looking into mufflers as well. And considering the turbo performance muffler for about $69 from http://www.a-1performance.com/super_turbo/ or local dealers you can find on their web page.

The turbo performance muffler to get is the Nissan truck muffler Part Number 17783. This muffler is supposed to help increase horse power by providing less back pressure.

(I am not going to replace my muffler because it is new but I am going to wrap the pipes {and muffler} and have already ordered the wrapping from http://www.geneberg.com .) Here is what one list member says regarding wrapping the exhaust pipes and the muffler issue:

"Wrap the exhaust pipes with heat wrapping: Gene Berg has this. It keeps the heat in the exhaust and reduces heat radiation from the pipes into the engine compartment. This keeps the exhaust gases hotter and helps to maintains a high exhaust gas velocity throughout the pipe. This allows the exhaust to have better a scavenging effect on the gases. With the increased duration you can give the intake a better head start towards the piston by the exhaust gases exiting pulling the intake charge in sooner. The air flow meter measures the amount and the ECU knows the amount and provide the correct amount of fuel based on the engines sensors. When you wrap the exhaust (I used ceramic coatings) the exhaust gases stay hotter and therefore travel faster, providing a higher vacuum pressure (scavenging effect) as they exit and pulling more fuel into the chamber, providing more power at ALL rpms, and when you make more power at all rpms you need to use less pedal to make the same speed. Another benefit is that all the rubber parts in the engine compartment will last longer, especially the rubber coolant hoses, due to the trapped heat the parts face during running. I can take a two hour cruise and the engine compartment is warm, I can put my hand on the alternator and it is warm.

Then here is what Steve "not a jeep" says

"the wrapped pipes? yeow..no..don't that only makes them rot quicker (see HP Books "Turbocharging" Title by Bruce McInnis?) a turbo muffler..Hmmm.. the actual "turbo muffler" was a unit designed by Chevy for the corvair spyder (turbo 6 in 150 and later 180 hp ) that was a conventional muffler which provided low back pressure (turbos don't like back pressure) with a "legal" noise output across the rpm band...they were quite the deal..for their time..I CANNOT believe that most modern mufflers don't come quite close or EXCEED the flow of the "turbo' unit...so..WHEN your OEM style goes rot-so? by all means..until then? The VW is NOT going to notice the difference as much as your wallet is.... my .02"

William Polowniak 1760 Lake Drive Cardiff, CA 92007-1141 760-753-0321


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