Date:         Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:31:03 -0800
Reply-To:     steve@SYNCRO.ORG
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From:         Steve Schwenk <steve@SYNCRO.ORG>
Subject:      Re: [Syncro] Pauter vs. Berg Ratio Rockers
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Tim's info confirms my leanings toward the Pauters.
And the photo from Eric helps, too.  The Pauters look
properly engineered and every bit as rigid, or more,
than steel.

If Berg will not give a price break, then there is no
advantage to the group so those who want the Bergs can
buy on their own without any loss.  Pauter has knocked
$40 off for 5 sets, and i bet i can get him lower on
10.

I have to leave shortly and will check in when i get
back to see where people are and if we have 10 orders
before i call Pauter for the quote.
Steve

Tim Smith wrote:
>
> At 08:50 AM 12/14/01 -0800, steve@syncro.org wrote:
> >WHY???  Are the Berg sturdier?  Pauter a better design
>
> Pauter Machine is an all out race component manufacturer,
> Their rods are used in a lot of expensive Porsche race
> engines. Where $25K+ is normal for an engine, those
> people seem to be happy. Both are good companies from
> the 60's, Pauter was Porsche/race, Berg was Beetle and
> wider market. Pauter is using their arms in T-IV engines
> up at nearly 1000 HP, valve train loads are very high, stiffer/
> dual springs, hi-ratio arms, 9000RPM.  If it lasts there it
> should last in a vanagon. Berg would definately too, but you asked
> my opinion. :) Roller bearings and roller tips are best, help
> at highspeed, don't hurt at lower speeds and they cut wear of
> shafts and valve guides! And these parts are transferable, as long
> as you keep the OEM stuff to reinstall, a 'permanent' investment.
>
> I just read Tom F's post too, berg is a stock style rocker, and
> more pricey?!! Go Pauter! There is quite a price drop when you go to
> 1.25 - 1.30 ratios.... and you don't need the chip. If you
> look at the dyno charts for rockers / rockers+chip most of the
> gain is from the rockers. I think you could convert to 1.25
> and get nearly the same HP increase for <$300 (maybe <$250?), while
> the 1.4 will run $400+$260 = $660. Maybe a quote for 10-15-20 sets of
> 1.25-1.30 arms would be a good idea.
>
> bye, Tim
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