Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:29:32 -0800
Reply-To: Joseph Fortino <fortino1@ONEBOX.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Joseph Fortino <fortino1@ONEBOX.COM>
Subject: Re: Old Car Scrappage Bullshit Alert
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Guys and Gals,
Please leave this for all the " other car types " :) we all know
VW'S are safe from bullshit, unless bullshit is inside. LOL
Back in the day some fool told me how my type1 was not smog, before
it became no smog needed, btw I just had the motor rebuilt so this
way running way good, I can see these people trip over the air
coolers. BUT hey whats with the f*&*&* MTBE crap
drive safe and avoid the lameness.
--
Joseph Fortino
fortino1@onebox.com - email
---- joseph Trussell <joetruss@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> They had one of those here in Denver for several years on an offramp
> (Speer
> & I-25) downtown.
>
> It's a circular offramp, so you'd come around the circle and they had
> a
> billboard right in front of you that told you on a big lighted display
> (kinda like those speed monitor displays the police use) whether your
> car's
> emissions were poor, fair, or good.
>
> I don't know why they took it down or why the idea was scrapped.
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Matthew Pollard <poll7356@UIDAHO.EDU>
> Reply-To: Matthew Pollard <poll7356@UIDAHO.EDU>
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Old Car Scrappage Bullshit Alert
> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:17:38 -0800
>
> there is a professor in the chem dept here that has a sizable EPA grant
> to
> develope a fast (sub micro-second) means to measure tail-pipe emissions.
> The idea is to measure the emmision on freeway on-ramps.
>
> if you want more techincal details, pmail me.
> -matthew
>
> Matthew Pollard "Racing with the wind and flirting with death
> Dept. Of Chemistry So have a cup of coffee and catch your breath"
> University of Idaho
> www.uidaho.edu/~poll7356
>
>
>
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Mike Finkbiner wrote:
>
> > I think that there would be a lot of value in taking some old junkers
> off
> > the road. Car & Driver had an article on this a few months ago,
> and IIRC
> > they found that this would be a lot cheaper method of cleaning up
> the air
> > than any possible improvements to new cars, because of the huge
> amount of
> > tailpipe pollutants which are produced by poorly maintained older
> cars.
> >
> > The problem is how to do it in a reasonable manner.
> >
> > Car & Driver's recommendation was to institute mobile sniffer units,
> to
> > track down those vehicles which are producing a lot of pollution.
> The
> > owners could be given the choice of bringing it up to the standard
> it had
> > when new, or turning it in for a scrapping fee. They wouldn't be
> cruising
> > the back roads in Idaho, but would be looking in the cities where
> the
> > problem is concentrated.
> >
> > It sounds like the government is going to take a simpler approach,
> which
> is
> > typical, but will make it a lot harder on hobbyists. If you are
> going to
> > write your congress critter about this, I would recommend proposing
> an
> > alternative, rather than just opposing the plan.
> >
> > Mike Finkbiner
> > '87 Westy
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Rico Sapolich said -
> >
> > In a message dated 12/20/01 1:09:21 AM, goodolevolk@YAHOO.COM writes:
> >
> > << This section 803 scrappage funding is a misguided attempt to
> improve
> the
> > overall fuel economy of the country1s vehicle fleet and represents
> a
> > significant threat to our hobby and industry. >>
> >
> > What odd convolutions those who worship the "invisible guiding hand"
> of a
> > free economy will use to validate government intervention into its
> workings.
> > At least when such an invasion fattens the purses of those first
> in line
> at
> > the feeding trough. Under the guise of saving the environment,
> they have
> > found a way to help the progeny of Henry Ford and his fellow club
> members
> > sell more cars.
> >
> > Is less energy, because that is what we are really talking about
> here,
> > consumed to manufacture and use a new car or to restore and use
> an old
> car?
> > <SNIP>
> >
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