Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:50:14 -0900
Reply-To: Mike Moery <mike.moery@ACSALASKA.NET>
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From: Mike Moery <mike.moery@ACSALASKA.NET>
Subject: Re: Operating temp question/Boston Bob's solution?
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I agree fully. The cooling systems in the Vanagons are well designed,
and if the engine is running too hot or too cold, the smart thing to do
is find the trouble and fix it, rather than trying to engineer an
elaborate modification (or fancy additive) to try and compensate for a
simple part failure.
-Mike Moery
Anchorage, AK
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'Ol Bessie '82TD Westy
-----Original Message-----
From: developtrust [mailto:developtrust@home.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:42 PM
To: Mike Moery
Subject: Re: Re: Operating temp question/Boston Bob's solution?
Thanks. My instinct says to leave the Vanagon cooling system alone as is
and
not add any of Red Line's product. No need to mess with it, and it seems
a
new thermostat would solve a lot of problems if they occur. I guess when
I
drive across the desert one day I will see how she performs.
William P.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Moery" <mike.moery@ACSALASKA.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Operating temp question/Boston Bob's solution?
There is an ideal temperature range for any engine to operate within,
and the thermostat is designed to get the engine up to that point as
quickly as possible, and then keep in from climbing much higher. If the
thermostat is fully open, and the temp continues to rise, then the low
speed on the radiator fan is triggered. If temperature equilibrium is
(engine btu output versus cooling system heat rejection) is still not
achieved, the fan is triggered to run at high speed.
The idea that a cooler running engine is desirable is correct only as
long as you don't drop below the engine thermostat's setpoint. To run
it much below this can cause condensation in the oil, fuel mix problems,
etc.
-Mike Moery
Anchorage, AK
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-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
Of developtrust
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:18 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Operating temp question/Boston Bob's solution?
You say that running cold "causes greater ring wear and a host of other
problems."
If this is indeed the case then this would be a good reason to NOT use
the
Red Line Water Wetter product to lower temperature. Anyone with Red
Line's
Water Wetter experience have any suggestions to the contrary?
Manufacturer
claims that the product can be used to provide rust and corrosion
protection
in plain water for racing engines. So would it provide similar
protection in
our systems with coolant?
The product label says it reduces temperature with a 50/50 coolant mix
by 8
degrees. Would running only 8 degrees lower cause the engine to run
rich?
And thus wash down the cylinder walls (of oil) causing greater ring wear
and
a host of other problems?
One earlier reply to my query was that the engine (well maintained) runs
perfectly well without "red line's water wetter" even while crossing the
desert using the AC and that adding Water Wetter is not necessary.
I always thought running cooler was a good thing, but then these VW
systems
are so new to me that I just am not convinced of anything yet.
Any informed advice anyone?
William Polowniak
Vanagon site http://members.home.net/holisticdream/vanagon1989.htm
> Kevin;
> As I understand it; running at below proper operating
temperature
> causes the engine to run rich. This in turn washes down the cylinder
> walls(of oil) causing greater ring wear and a host of other problems.
> On the flip side this may be a solution for Boston Bob's lean
> running problem. Increase/add resistance to the TEMPII sensor, fooling
> the ECU to run richer!?
>
> Good Luck and Drive Safely
> Ken Lewis
> 86 Crewcab,60 356
> http://Neksiwel.20m.com/
>
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:33:45 -0500 Kevin Kusmider
> <harvest@FREDERICKMD.COM> writes:
> > Happy Holidays everyone,
> >
> My '90 multivan runs cold.....Is there a problem that can arise from
not
> running hot
> > enough?
> > I am getting ready to leave on a long trip and wanted to make sure.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> >
> > Kevin
> >
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