Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:23:21 -0600
Reply-To: selten2 <selten2@ATTBI.COM>
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From: selten2 <selten2@ATTBI.COM>
Subject: Re: tiico conversion vs. other I4 conversions
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As soon as I can get under the van (its about 16 deg outside) I will try to
spot a number on the intake. I agree that most of the other pieces are
fairly easy to get and the intake is the key allowing surgery-less installs!
On Tiicos site there is a parts list and doing just a quick scan ,I did not
see a listing for the intake.
Tom Czerniak
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kitzmann" <kitzmann@exis.net>
To: "selten2" <selten2@attbi.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Re: tiico conversion vs. other I4 conversions
> Couldn't someone get the part number off of one of the Tiico
installations.
> I'm thinking that in all reality we would only need to get ahold of the
> intake, which bolts to any of the non-crossflow heads. Get an exhaust
> manifold from an Audi that combined with some simple piping would closely
> resemble the Tiico installation. Many of us that have already converted
> have the oil pan and mounts, I just wish I had been able to get that
intake
> manifold, so I wouldn't of had to cut holes in my engine bay. If there
are
> a bunch of these engines running around SA why can't anyone send over a
> used one??? I just wish I could go over there and do what Dave Marshall
> does in Germany and send a cargo container back with all the neat parts.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> At 08:41 PM 1/2/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >I agree ,thats why I was wondering about someone with connections in SA
or
> >even a listmember from SA?
> >Tom Czerniak
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Kitzmann" <kitzmann@exis.net>
> >To: "selten2" <selten2@attbi.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:59 PM
> >Subject: Re: Re: tiico conversion vs. other I4 conversions
> >
> >
> >> You would think that spares would have to be available somewhere. I
don't
> >> think the delear over there would say to someone, "sorry it broke, but
you
> >> have to buy the whole package."
> >> Dave K.
> >>
> >>
> >> At 04:36 PM 1/2/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> > I have talked to Peter about the availability of just the
> >> >components you mentioned and he says that he is not able to convince
his
> >> >suppliers to sell the needed parts piece meal. If the Intake, motor
> >mounts
> >> >and oil pan were available , there would be a lot more conversions.
Even
> >the
> >> >ECU and harness should be available. Anyone who works on modern Audi's
> >and
> >> >VWs would have no problem with the Motronic managment system.
> >Unfortunately
> >> >unless you buy a kit you are not going to see these pieces. Anyone out
> >there
> >> >have alternate connections in SA?
> >> >Tom Czerniak
> >> >1987 Westy w/tiico
> >> >181200 on Van
> >> >9200 on new engine
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Kitzmann" <kitzmann@EXIS.NET>
> >> >To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:05 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: tiico conversion vs. other I4 conversions
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >I have seen a number of members postings and vendors sites that
talk
> >> >about
> >> >> the I4 conversion. The only one that I have yet seen that doesn't
have
> >> >the
> >> >> engine protruding into the van or modification of the deck lid is
the
> >> >> tiico. Why? What is different about their conversion than other
> >> >companies
> >> >> / homebrew conversions?
> >> >> >--
> >> >>
> >> >> There are two differences between the ones that protrude and ones
that
> >> >> don't. Using say a 1.8L VW it will not protrude if using a diesel
> >> >> bellhousing or something equivalent that mounts the engine at
something
> >> >> like 54 degrees. Using this same engine mounted at the 15 degrees
that
> >it
> >> >> was mounted in a Golf or Jetta and you protrude. The other major
> >> >> difference is the confiquration of the intake and exhaust manifolds.
> >This
> >> >> is why the 2.0L crossflow as used in A3 and A4 Jettas protrude
because
> >> >even
> >> >> at 54 degrees mounting angle the intake manifold sticks up out of
the
> >> >> engine bay. Tiico uses a 2.0L block that has the intake and exhaust
on
> >> >the
> >> >> same side, just like the 1.8L engine in the A2 Golf/Jetta. The
engine
> >is
> >> >> mounted at the 54 degree point and so the engine doesn't protrude.
One
> >> >> additional benefit of the Tiico is that the intake manifold was
> >> >> specifically made for the application and doesn't hit the wall of
the
> >> >> engine bay. This of course is the same as those used on the SA
> >Vanagons,
> >> >> so I don't see why someone couldn't start importing these things for
> >us.
> >> >> If you could get the manifolds and a diesel bellhousing or adapter
> >plate
> >> >> you could pretty inexpensively install a 1.8L VW or 2.0 Audi bubble
> >block
> >> >> without much difficulty at all.
> >> >> Hope that clears somethings up,
> >> >> Dave K.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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