Date:         Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:06:32 -0500
Reply-To:     Tim Hannink <tjhannink@EARTHLINK.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Tim Hannink <tjhannink@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject:      Re: Simple starting problem?
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I found that if I unplugged the temp2 sensor connector, the van would start
right away. Then I would shut it off, re-connect the sensor, restart and be
on my way. That way you can be positive that the sensor is the problem.

Tim Hannink
Winter Park, Florida
Goldibox - 1987 Vanagon Camper, Wolfsburg Edition
http://home.earthlink.net/~tjhannink/


-----Original Message-----
From:   John Baker [SMTP:abusguy2@SPRINGMAIL.COM]
Sent:   Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:55 AM
To:     vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject:        Re: Simple starting problem?

Les,
I am currently having the EXACT same problem with my 1.9 wbx.  Last week
the consensus of the list thought I probably have a bad Temp II sensor.
 Here is my limited understanding of the function: This is a sensor found
in the thrmostat housing that "tells" the ECU when the engine is warm or
cold.  If it reads cold, it increases fuel into the injectors at start up
because a cold engine needs more gas to start, and if it is warm it does
not send as much fuel to the injectors. If the sensor is bad and reads
"Cold engine" when the engine is actually warm, it will "send" too much
fuel to the injectors at start up, thus your flooding problem.  Those of
you who know more about this PLEASE correct me if I am wrong, this is what
I have gathered mostly from reading the archives.
Anyway, I have discovered a way to help with those warm starts until I can
get around to replacing that sensor.  When your engine is warm, turn the
key "on" (injectors injecting) but don't engage the starter, and wait about
15 seconds in this position before turning the motor over.  After this
time, I turn and give one little push on the accelator pedal as I engage
the starter and it generally fires right up!
I hope I am mostly correct in my description and that this little trick
helps you cope until you get your problem fixed.
Peace, John Baker


On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:34:34 -0800 Les Shiaman <lamusicamellama@JUNO.COM>
wrote:

Listees -

Happy 2002!  I have a question about my 1.9l wbx.  It always starts cold,
but after driving a few miles and warming up and stopping and say eating
lunch I'll go out and it often takes a LONG time to fire up.  Starter is
strong, battery too.  I get the feeling there is some flooding happening
because I smell unburnt fuel after several turnovers.  Sometimes I press
the gas pedal other times no, and sometimes I'll get her started after
several pumps on the gas..just don't see that pattern yet.  If I wait 10,
20 minutes she'll fire up.  Often times after a drive when I arrive home
for curiosity I try to fire up after parking and cutting the engine.
Most of the time it won't fire up again.  It had new plugs, wires and cap
a year ago (5k miles ago). Sometimes idle is a little high, but usually
drops after a time.  I don't believe timing is an issue.  I live in a
temperate coastal climate so I don't believe weather is an issue.  Well,
that's about the extent of it. Thanks for any advice.

Les
'84 Westy
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