Date:         Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:15:13 -0600
Reply-To:     Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: no cold start/hard start relay kit
Comments: To: mathieux46@HOTMAIL.COM
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The problem I've found with starters is that the piston in the solenoid
gets sticky from the dust and oil that gets on it. I've removed and
cleaned several of them and they've always worked good for many years
after that. My current starter is a good example, it was cleaned five
years ago and its still working fine.
Anyone wanting to install another solenoid can just get a

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:24:29 +0000 Mathieu Bertrand
<mathieux46@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Wow!! That's the best thing to do. Thanks a lot. I wondering if
> normal
> electronics store or auto parts store sell big relay like that.
>
>
> >From: Larry Alofs <lalofs@enteract.com>
> >To: Mathieu Bertrand <mathieux46@HOTMAIL.COM>,
> "vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM"
> ><vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >Subject: Re: no cold start/hard start relay kit
> >Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:25:20 -0600
> >
> >Mathieu Bertrand wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello, my 86 vanagon won't start on cold morning ( -20 celcius).
> The
> > > starter doesn't turn at all. Sometimes, if try and try again,
> out of
> > > the blue, it turns at a good speed. I've open the starter and
> changed
> > > the big wire that goes from the solenoid the stator. Seems to
> help but
> > > didn't solve the problem. The problem probably comes from the
> ignition
> > > switch or the wires. I've heard about hard start relay bosch
> kit. I'm
> > > wondering if someone know how those work, I maybe considering
> making a
> > > kit myself.
> > >
> > > Mathieu Bertrand
> > > 86 weekender
> > > Québec
> > >
> > >
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> >The circuit from the ignition switch to the starter solenoid was
> poorly
> >designed and supplies just enough current to activate the solenoid.
>  As
> >things age and deteriorate the resistance increases in various
> places
> >and the solenoid sometimes does not respond.  Usually this is
> first
> >evident after 2 hours on the highway when the starter and solenoid
> are
> >hot.  Tapping the solenoid with a wrench or hammer while someone
> holds
> >the key in the start position generally gets you going. BTDT on my
> 76,
> >80, & 84.
> >   More substantial current can be supplied to the solenoid by
> connecting
> >the large post with the battery cable (on the solenoid) to the
> smaller
> >push-on terminal that normally receives the signal from the
> ignition
> >switch.  This is what you want the relay to do.  You want a relay
> that
> >can handle about 30 or 40 amps designed to be activated by 12V.
> Connect
> >the wire from the ignition switch to one of the coil terminals on
> the
> >relay and complete the circuit by connecting the other one to
> ground.
> >Mounting the relay under the back seat puts it reasonably close to
> the
> >starter and keeps it out of the weather.
> >   I understand that the kit from Bus Depot comes with instructions
> and
> >it sounds like a reasonable approach if you are uncertain about
> the
> >procedure or finding the proper relay.
> >
> >Good luck,
> >Larry A.
>
>
>
>
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