Date:         Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:09:54 -0800
Reply-To:     David Marshall <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         David Marshall <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
Subject:      Re: [Syncro] Vendors on the list,
              was: Re: Vanagon Springs - Stop the flamewars!
In-Reply-To:  <B89B9BAC.3C49%ben@kbmc.net>
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I missed the original post on the idea of banning vendors, but I'll throw in
my two Canadian cents worth...

The problem is NOT all vendors.  There are some really helpful people on
this list who also happen to sell stuff for our vans - this is not a crime,
in fact I encourage it as it is supporting something that I feel most of us
hold dear in our lives.  Most of the vendors are level headed and don't
overreact over the smallest of things.  The crime is when people get all
OVERLY offensive over the products they sell.  It is OK to defend the
qualities of your product - this is free speech after all, but there is a
point where it becomes too much.  The people who aggressively and repeatedly
throw stones at other people / vendors should be banned from the list for a
period of time.  There is a common denominator in all of this - I have been
dragged into these flame wars from time to time, along with Ben, Terry,
Ron... the list goes on.  I work for the local school district during most
of the day light hours and there is a big focus on bullies in the schools
and how there is ZERO tolerance for bullies - there is no room for bullies
in our society.

David Marshall

Fast Forward Automotive Inc.
4356 Quesnel Hixon Road
Quesnel BC Canada  V2J 6Z3
mailto:info@fastforward.ca <mailto:info@fastforward.ca>
http://www.fastforward.ca <http://www.fastforward.ca>
Phone: (250) 992 7775           FAX: (250) 992 1160

. Vanagon Accessories and Engine Conversions
. Vanagon, Transporter and Iltis Sales and Importation
. European Lighting for most Volkswagen models



-----Original Message-----
From: Ben McCafferty [mailto:ben@kbmc.net]
Sent: February 22, 2002 6:55 AM
To: WVVW; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM; syncro
Subject: [Syncro] Vendors on the list, was: Re: Vanagon Springs - Stop
the flamewars!


We have visited this topic a couple of times recently, and again, for the
record, I would emphatically oppose banning vendors from the list.  In case
you haven't noticed, we don't exactly have unlimited choices of parts
dealers out there, especially for syncro parts, and they all provide useful
information to the list, not just to customers.  That in my opinion is a
good list member--someone who is interested in/owns vanagons, and tries to
help when their knowledge allows.

Have I had my problems with the list vendors?  Absolutely.  But I've usually
been able to resolve them offline, and not drag the list into it.  To me,
banning them would be kind of like having an Auto Show and not allowing any
manufacturers to participate.  Pretty soon we'll all own Studebakers if we
continue down this road.

My two cents, well ok, three or four cents.
bmc  :)
"Faith will move mountains, but you'd better bring a shovel...."



> Maybe the combined group will have to decide if they really want to allow
> vendors to be a part of the list(?).  I mean we don't allow parties to
spam
> the group with credit card and porn ads, right?  Why not ban all people
trying
> to sell stuff?
>


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