Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:58:05 +0100
Reply-To: Robert Steven Fish <fish@SALZBURG.CO.AT>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Robert Steven Fish <fish@SALZBURG.CO.AT>
Subject: Re: Looking for a CA smog legal conversion/extremists
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> Waser boxers are ten to one more than Air Cooled Vans in the wrecking
> yards I buy from.
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Curious....
How many Vanagons were produced, imported and purchased in the USA as
compared to air-cooled vans...
My crude guess would be 10 times the amount...
ans that would explain the numbers that you are seeing.
But anyway, there is this guy on the list, and/or eBay, selling his 1987
Vanagon for $18,000. granted, he may well have a brain that is so fried on
crack, that numbers no longer have any realistic meaning... but if you can
really get an '87 Vanagon in good shape for 600 beans, and can then spend a
hundred to ship it up north........ you would make 100% on your
investment... easily.
But this is not the point here... the point was, that Eurovans SUCK,
regardless of other vehicles... and they do... and we closed this topic...
right?
RSF
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Robert S. Fish
Salzburg, Austria
1987 Wolfsburg Vanagon 2.1 GL Weekender
1987 Golf Cabriolet
1991 Golf
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1@juno.com>
To: <fish@SALZBURG.CO.AT>
Cc: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for a CA smog legal conversion/extremists
> I do not really see the logic here.....
> > AND... if you can really go so far as to say that Waterboxer engines
> > suck... then we may have an arguement here.
> ------------------------------------
> The logic is overall generic ......... what Vehicle manufactured by any
> company, anywhere in the world between 1980 an 1991 had enough redeeming
> qualities to justify an investment of a new $3000.00 engine ?
> A special interest vehicle like the Westfalia is possibly a qualifying
> factor but in general the entire auto industry was changing ever part
> possible over to plastic and improving paint colors. Thats about all they
> have done in the past twenty years.
> Here in the US, even 10 year old Lexus, Infinity, Jaguars and BMWs hit
> the wrecking yards with good bodies.
> I was offered a 94 VanDen Plas Jag for $800.00 just recently, only needed
> a $12,000.00 motor. I considered that it might be a good investment if I
> converted to over to a 350cid Chevy with an engine and a $1400.00 kit.
> However that wouldn't do anything for the brakes, suspension etc.
> Standard Vanagons in Texas sell for very little, 80-83 Air Cooled less
> than $500.00, Westies about $800.00. In the water cooled versions I've
> turned down 87 Vanagon Wolfsburgs for $800.00 (the next buyer got it for
> $600.00 after I turned it down) and haven't had a chance to buy an 83.5
> to 91 WaserBoxer Westy, haven't seen many survivors.
> Waser boxers are ten to one more than Air Cooled Vans in the wrecking
> yards I buy from. Most of the WaserBoxers have a rod sticking through the
> crank case or the engine in disarray in the back seat with the heads off.
> So I'm not nailing the Waser Boxers specifically because I know that
> properly cared for vehicles will last just as long or longer than the air
> cooled versions.
> I do contend that we had a quality drought in the auto industry for the
> past twenty years that continues today in all of the US made vehicles.
>
> Stan Wilder
> 83 Air Cooled Westfalia
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:24:00 +0100 Robert Steven Fish
> <fish@SALZBURG.CO.AT> writes:
> > snipped ------------
> > > What you've told me is every *VW Vanagon since the last 82/83 Air
> > cooled
> > > sucks* ......... I can go with that, no problem.
> > end snipped ------------
> >
> > Uh... no... you actually just told ME that....
> >
> > I simply said that Eurovans suck, and YOU then said that if Eurovans
> > suck,
> > then 82-91 Vanagons suck.
> >
> > I do not really see the logic here.....
> >
> > AND... if you can really go so far as to say that Waterboxer engines
> > suck...
> > then we may have an arguement here.
> >
> > But the beauty of the body and functionality, of the 86-91 Vanagons
> > just
> > cannot be argued.
> >
> > The Eurovan was a silly attempt to make a Chrysler Voyager
> > competition, and
> > just looks pretty much like that. (I refer to the Eurovan in past
> > tense...
> > because it is past tense).
> >
> > But I said I would close this issue.. since there will always be
> > people who
> > think that Eurovans are worth their insane purchase price, for some
> > crazy
> > reason, and debating it here, will only result in name calling and
> > slander
> > (which, admitted, can also be fun!)
> >
> > RSF
> >
> > <º)))>{ <º)))>{ <º)))>{ <º)))>{ <º)))>{ <º)))>{
> >
> > Robert S. Fish
> > Salzburg, Austria
> > 1987 Wolfsburg Vanagon 2.1 GL Weekender
> > 1987 Golf Cabriolet
> > 1991 Golf
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: Looking for a CA smog legal conversion/extremists
> >
> >
> > > Has anyone mentioned this before on this list... I mean... that
> > Eurovans
> > > SUCK!!!
> > >
> > > Just wondering
> > >
> > > RSF> <º)))>{ <º)))>{ <º)))>{ <º)))>{ <º)))>{ <º)))>{
> > > >
> > > > Robert S. Fish
> > >
> > > -----------
> > > I'd think that any vehicle that had an inherently bad engine that
> > needed
> > > replacement with something else sucked. IE Washer Boxers in
> > general, most
> > > Jaguars, Rotary Mazda, Datsun 300 series, all Mitsubishi, Yogo etc.
> > > So if Eurovans suck it just follows that they are like their
> > predecessors
> > > that started the suck syndrome.
> > > What you've told me is every *VW Vanagon since the last 82/83 Air
> > cooled
> > > sucks* ......... I can go with that, no problem.
> > > I wonder how many Waser Boxer owners know that they bought a Kit
> > Car?
> > >
> > > Stan Wilder
> > >
> >
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