Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:55:19 -0800
Reply-To: phil stanhope <napszeerf@YAHOO.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: phil stanhope <napszeerf@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Rust Inhibit Kit (WAXOYL)-Is this the Holy Grail?
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"where the frame rails meet the floor pan -
that's a typical rust spot. There's no way to get down
to bare
metal inside the frame rail, and no matter how
carefully you
apply POR-15 to the parts you can get at, the rust
will still
come back from where you couldn't."
I agree thats why im looking into blasting this waxoyl
stuff into these areas where the POR-15 wont.
They say Rust is becouse of exposure to oxygen and
moisture if i can gob this Waxoyl slime into these
areas it should keep the moisture and oxygen away. The
oil from a leaky engine keeps the frame from rusting
which is why some old car frames are still around
right?
Phil 84' Westy Tiico "Millenium Falcon"
60' Morris Mini rally car1340CC
84' Westfalia Wolfsburg edition--FOR SALE-FOR SALE-SE
VENDE!!!!!!(Florida)
AC, PS, 4spd. Super clean interior, Captains chairs,
Rare removeable center bench seat for 6 passenger
capability. Body has some rusty seams
Rolling Chassis-(Has NO engine)-Perfect for a
conversion project!!! Tiico? Subaru?
--- "Fitz-Randolph, Douglas" <Doug@BEACONTEL.TV>
wrote:
> I did not use their prep products. The first time I
> ever used
> POR-15 was about 15 years ago on an old Corvair -
> when I
> used it on the van in '98 I do not think I read the
> instructions since I was familiar with it's use.
> Maybe they
> reformulated it and changed the application
> procedure?
> Anyhow this is what I did: I removed all the rust
> that would
> come off with a wire brush, then sanded, then wiped
> down
> with 3M degreaser, then applied the solution. I did
> not use
> the etching solution. I would have to say, though,
> that if
> you intend to take that much care in preparation you
> will
> probably be fine. I also think if you were to go as
> far as
> using etching solution on bare metal that there are
> a lot
> of things you could use as a coating that would work
> just
> as well. It is really the prep that is the key. The
> coating
> is important too, but without proper prep even the
> most
> expensive epoxy wonder stuff won't work. You can't
> just
> paint POR-15 (or that #M rust stuff, or Mar-hyde, or
> any
> of the other similar "rust converter" products) over
> rusty
> metal and call it good.
>
> I really think that the problem you will run into is
> physically
> not being able to prep the area according to their
> instructions.
> Take, for example, where the frame rails meet the
> floor pan -
> that's a typical rust spot. There's no way to get
> down to bare
> metal inside the frame rail, and no matter how
> carefully you
> apply POR-15 to the parts you can get at, the rust
> will still
> come back from where you couldn't.
>
> I think my point is that POR-15 isn't some sort of
> magical potion,
> and a lot of people think it is. For my money,
> POR-15 doesn't
> really do anything that proper primer/paint don't do
> - properly
> applied, either one will prevent rust. It's just
> that "proper
> application" is often problematic.
>
> That said, doing as much as you can is sure better
> than doing
> nothing at all! Good luck!
>
> Doug Fitz-Randolph
> Freeport, ME
> '90 Syncro
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Steven Fish
> [SMTP:fish@salzburg.co.at]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:10 PM
> > To: Fitz-Randolph, Douglas;
> vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Rust Inhibit Kit
> (WAXOYL)-Is this the Holy
> > Grail?
> >
> > Just wondering...
> >
> > did you do it by the book? They only guarantee the
> 300,000 year no rust
> > thing if you use their de-greaser, as well as
> their metal prep solution
> > which effectively etches any exposed raw metal,
> allowing the chemicals in
> > the sealant to stick and react to it.
> >
> > I have only read good things... but would LOVE to
> hear soome real life
> > stuff.. before I throw down a few hundred bucks on
> this stuff, and waste
> > the
> > entire summer coating my underbody, and reparing
> all body rust on my 1987
> > Wolfsburg GL.
> >
> > Thanks for responding!
> >
> > RSF
> >
> > <º)))>{ <º)))>{ <º)))>{ <º)))>{ <º)))>{
> <º)))>{
> >
> > Robert S. Fish
> > Salzburg, Austria
> > 1987 Wolfsburg Vanagon 2.1 GL Weekender
> > 1987 Golf Cabriolet
> > 1991 Golf
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