Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:02:56 -0500
Reply-To: eric unrau <eunrau@YAHOO.CA>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: eric unrau <eunrau@YAHOO.CA>
Subject: Re: CA Smog Legal Conversions/Facts
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Thx Phil. I was under the mistaken impression that
the Tiico was just another kit containing
adapter/wiring/misc parts plus Golf/Jetta/Audi engine.
The SA Bus is offered with either a 2.3i or a 2.6i;
where does the 2.0 Tiico fit in?
Eric
Partially enlightened.
'89 Westy
--- phil stanhope <napszeerf@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> --- Eric Unrau wrote:
> > All this talk about engine conversions got me
> > wondering about the
> > engines used in the current SA bus models.
> > they be the perfect
> > fit?
>
> YESSS...YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!!
> Eric, those SA engines ARE a perfect fit and ARE
> avaliable in the USA,(for a price$$$) Ive got one,
> its
> an in-line four, we call it a "Tiico" go to this
> site
> and youll see the details.
>
> http://www.tiico.com/
>
> Phil 84' Westy Tiico "Millenium Falcon"
> 60' Morris Mini rally car1340CC
> 84' Westfalia Wolfsburg edition--FOR SALE-FOR
> SALE-SE
> VENDE!!!!!!(Florida)
> AC, PS, 4spd. Super clean interior, Captains chairs,
> Rare removeable center bench seat for 6 passenger
> capability. Body has some rusty seams
> Rolling Chassis-(Has NO engine)-Perfect for a
> conversion project!!! Tiico? Subaru?
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List
> > [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> > Of Frank Grunthaner
> > Sent: March 5, 2002 8:51 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: CA Smog Legal Conversions/Facts
> >
> > There is a surprising amount of blither generated
> on
> > the list in
> > response to
> > this reasonable query. I thought I would put out
> my
> > obviously
> > unprejudiced
> > thoughts. Let us summarize the question as "What
> can
> > I put in the rear
> > of the
> > Vanagon to provide alternative motive force while
> > remaining registrable
> > in
> > the State of California without serious punitive
> > costs or confiscation".
> > The
> > list of powerplant possibilities is limited but
> not
> > negligible:
> >
> > 1. The first to come to mind would be the Kennedy
> > sponsored Subaru 2.2L
> > OBD1
> > engine. Details and costs are well covered on the
> > subaruvanagon list,
> > and the
> > pros and cons have been discussed, seldom
> blemished
> > by facts, in the
> > archives
> > of this list.
> >
> > 2. Other Subaru derivatives such as the 2.5 L OBD2
> > engine, the 6
> > cylinder
> > alternatives and several turbocharged units. The
> > requirement is that the
> > engine installed be previously sold and certified
> > within the USA; it be
> > of
> > the same year or newer than the chassis in which
> the
> > unit is installed;
> > that
> > all emissions components be present as were
> > originally installed and
> > that the
> > functioning engine meet the emissions performance
> of
> > the original
> > certified
> > vehicle. Obviously there is another corollary to
> > this comment regarding
> > engines older than the chassis, but compliance is
> > probably beyond the
> > financial resources of anyone asking this
> question.
> > In the same vane,
> > installing an ODB2 engine into the Vanagon will be
> a
> > real challenge for
> > the
> > backyard (or garage) amateur. In each of these
> > cases, the Kennedy CARB
> > exemption will not apply, and the final conversion
> > will have to go to
> > the
> > referee. (See the GD Archives for details).
> >
> > 3. The VW I-4 engines. These are installed largely
> > using components from
> > the
> > Vanagon Diesel. Of these, the best (IMHO) are the
> 8V
> > non-crossflow units
> > as
> > they will fit without impact to the engine cover
> and
> > the interior. The
> > best
> > of these is the Audi 3A 2.0L engine (88-92)
> > installed with either its
> > CIS-E
> > engine and fuel management or conversion to the
> > digifant II injection
> > system.
> > I've always considered the CIS system a PITA to
> > route, and a mechanical
> > kluge
> > as well. I believe the 3A intake will install with
> > no body bashing, but
> > I
> > won't be certain for several weeks. The second
> best
> > version is the 1.8L
> > 8V
> > Digifant engine (88-92), preferably with the Audi
> 3A
> > exhaust manifold.
> > The
> > fuel system is far simpler than the CIS group. The
> > last of these would
> > be the
> > 1.8L 8V CIS engines for reasons cited above. The
> > requirement is that the
> > engine installed be previously sold and certified
> > within the USA; it be
> > of
> > the same year or newer than the chassis in which
> the
> > unit is installed;
> > that
> > all emissions components be present as were
> > originally installed and
> > that the
> > functioning engine meet the emissions performance
> of
> > the original
> > certified
> > vehicle. In each of these cases, the final
> > conversion will have to go to
> > the
> > referee. (See the GD Archives for details).
> >
> > 4. Another approach involves the 2.0L 8V VW ABA
> (93
> > on) engine. This
> > unit
> > requires a Kennedy adapter to mount it in its
> > orientation and will
> > require a
> > fabricated addition to the engine cover, etc, etc.
> I
> > find the engine
> > pricey
> > but affordable, and the engine cover mods
> > distasteful The requirement is
> > that
> > the engine installed be previously sold and
> > certified within the USA; it
> > be
> > of the same year or newer than the chassis in
> which
> > the unit is
> > installed;
> > that all emissions components be present as were
> > originally installed
> > and
> > that the functioning engine meet the emissions
> > performance of the
> > original
> > certified vehicle. In each of these cases, the
> final
> > conversion will
> > have to
> > go to the referee. (See the GD Archives for
> > details).
> >
> > 5). The VW 1.8T engine. Big pushup, requires
> Kennedy
> > adapter, engine
> > cover
> > changes, probably is OBD2 and will trash any
> Vanagon
> > transmission in
> > short
> > order. The requirement is that the engine
> installed
> > be previously sold
> > and
> > certified within the USA; it be of the same year
> or
> > newer than the
> > chassis in
> > which the unit is installed; that all emissions
> > components be present as
> > were
> > originally installed and that the functioning
> engine
> > meet the emissions
> > performance of the original certified vehicle. In
> > each of these cases,
> > the
> > final conversion will have to go to the referee.
> > (See the GD Archives
> > for
> > details).
> >
> > 6). The VW VR6. Same comments as 5 above.
> >
> > 7). The VW/Audi I-5 engine. Reputedly hardy, long
> > will probably have to
> > work
> > with Vanagon Projekt. Only CIS fuel management. I
> > don't recommend it.
> > Other
> > comments as per 5.
> >
> > 8). Porsche variants, Mazda rotaries, Mazda I-4's,
> > V6's, GM and Ford
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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