Date:         Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:13:57 -0800
Reply-To:     Cary Chiang <cchiang1@YAHOO.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Cary Chiang <cchiang1@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Comment on 2.1 WBx vs. 2.2 Sub vs. Tiico (was The problem with
              TIICO)  <F>
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"The undocumented Subaru 2.2L is clearly an appropriate choice for
conversion.
Its torque curve would appear to be that of a typical small
displacement
engine, i.e., tuned for output at higher rpm. The Subaru conversion
will not
be competitive with the 2.1L WBx off the line and in low rpm situations
(especially if mated to the 2.1L transaxle). It will probably
outperform the
WBx at higher rpms and clearly has an extended usable rev range."

Dear Frank:

It's nice to see you dispariging Subies differently in this post (nothing about them being "ashamed" of their performance by not publishing HP and torque curves).  My Subie 2.2 "feels" stronger down low than the Tiico I drove, although I agree that one cannot count on "seat of the pants" impressions.  Since we have no published data to prove otherwise, are you willing to concede that it is at least *possible* that the Subie 2.2 has at LEAST as much torque as a VW 2.1 WB "down low", while having more torque at the higher RPMs also?  Even if this is not so, say for example the Subie's torque did not exceed the VW WB's until 3000 RPM, how much time does one actually spend  revving thru that lower RPM range, anyway?

Finally, I am shocked (shocked!) that you would stray from your normally fact-based comments, and delve into supposition (using the terms "appear" and "probably"), while at the same time making "fact"-like statements ("will not be competitive") that you clearly cannot PROVE without data!  Please, either stick to your normal scientific analysis, or give half-baked opinions like many others do, but not BOTH at the same time!

Cary



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