Date:         Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:03:55 -0600
Reply-To:     Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: PayPal "Help" is unbelievably bad! Suggestions?
Comments: To: mjruskin@SHAW.CA
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Me and 18 other people filed charges on a crook that was selling on Ebay.
We put him in jail, he is now on probation for 5 years and paying
restitution.
He only got me for $78.00 but he took others for over $1800.00 each on
laptop computers.
His total theft was about $8000.00
It only took about two weeks to get him jailed, three months to get him
sentenced.
His attorney bills were over $5000.00 plus he had court cost.
E bay had him monitored within 24 hours of their first viable complaint.
They shut him down. He came back on under an alias and they caught it
right away and his hometown police arrested him.
The story is pretty much complete here.
I get checks every month from the Victims Recovery Office of his home
town police department.

Stan

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:02:25 -0800 Mark Mages <wasserbox@YAHOO.COM>
writes:
> Yup - they advertise the "safe" banking, just like a
> credit card, but they offer little to no protection
> from fradulent sellers or buyers.
>
> I got hit to the tune of $850.  Luckily I paid them
> with my CC, so I was able to deny payment of the
> transaction.
>
> They are not a bank - they just play one on TV.
> http://movies.yahoo.com/
>
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:02:24 -0600 Marshall <mjruskin@SHAW.CA> writes:
> This is a point of interest for all us "Vanagoners", who like to
> make
> convenient purchases through the internet:
>
> Fact is, when you do a transaction on the internet, you need
> protection from
> fraud.
>
> Ebay Payments/BillPoint offers it, and PayPal does not. Plus, it's
> cheaper
> for the seller, and it can be used anywhere on the Internet, not
> just on
> EBay.
>
>  Check it out at
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/buyerguide/bp-overview.html
>
> After my next transaction, (in progress) - I will refuse all PayPal
> transactions.
>
> It's just not worth the risk to use PayPal, I had $200 USD stolen
> from me -
> and got no help from PayPal.
>
> I need protection from fraud. It's that simple.
>
> EBay Payments/BillPoint.
>
> Marshall Ruskin
> 84 Westy
> Winnipeg, Canada
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Grebneff" <andrew.grebneff@STONEBOW.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 03:14 AM
> Subject: PayPal "Help" is unbelievably bad! Suggestions?
>
>
> > >Auto-Submitted: auto-replied
> > >Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:37:01 -0800
> > >To: Andrew Grebneff <andrew.grebneff@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
> > >Subject: AutoResponse-Email Returned - SARA
> (KMM18246766V69374L0KM)
> > >From: PayPal Customer Service <service@paypal.com>
> > >Reply-To: PayPal Customer Service <service@paypal.com>
> > >X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 1.0.9 -
> (http://pldaniels.com/inflex/)
> > >
> > >Dear Andrew,
> > >
> > >Thank you for contacting PayPal Customer Service.
> > >
> > >In an effort to assist you as quickly and efficiently as
> possible, please
> > >direct all customer service inquires through our website.   Click
> on the
> > >hyperlink below to go to the PayPal website.  After entering
> your
> username
> > >and password, you can submit your inquiry via our Customer
> Service
> Contact
> > >form.
> >
> > YOUR DAMN FORM HAS NO PROVISION FOR MY PROBLEM!!!
> >
> > >If you indicate the type of question you have with as much detail
> as
> > >you can, we will be able to provide you with the best customer
> service
> > >possible.
> >
> > ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE!
> >
> > >If your email program is unable to open hyperlinks, please copy
> and paste
> > >this URL into the address bar of your browser.
> > >
> > >https://www.paypal.com/wf
> > >
> > >If you are contacting PayPal because you are unable to log into
> your
> > >account, please use the contact form below.
> >
> > I CANNOT *GET* AN ACCOUNT BECAUSE OF YOUR CIRCULAR "HELP" RUBBISH
> SETUP
> >
> > >https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_contact-general
> > >
> > >Thank you for choosing PayPal!
> >
> > NOT BY CHOICE, BELIEVE ME
> >
> >
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >Note: When you click on links in this email, you will be asked to
> log
> into
> > >your PayPal Account.
> >
> >
> > WHAT ACCOUNT????
> >
> > >As always, make sure that you are logging into a
> > >secure PayPal page by looking for "https://www.paypal.com/" at
> the
> > >beginning of the URL.
> > >
> > >Please do not reply to this e-mail.  Mail sent to this address
> will not
> be
> > >answered.
> > >
> > >********************************************
> > >
> > >I tried to join up on your international signup page last night.
> > >However the page refused to accept my valid, correct and
> complete
> > >numbers (I tried several times):
> > >
> > >64 (3) 473-8863 home
> > >64 (3) 479-7535 work
> > >
> > >(country code is 0064 but it won't fit the space allocated).
> > >
> > >So what do I do?
> > >--
> > >Andrew Grebneff
> > >165 Evans St, Dunedin 9001, New Zealand
> > ><andrew.grebneff@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
> >
> >
> > Is any idiot from PayPal (PayPill?) seeing this??
>

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