Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:06:57 -0500
Reply-To: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: worst cars - van?
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They aren't out to ruin VW
----------------------------
I care very little about what they say about VW.
I'm just a little surprised that they haven't picked cars that the
general public has owner in reasonable quantity.
Reneau must have sold 1200 of the Dauphine.
Yogo never made any market penetration.
In short they picked out mostly special interest cars.
I have the original invoice on my 83 Westy and it sold new for about
$17900.00 while I only paid $15200.00 for my new 83 Cadillac.
I'd call the Westfalia a luxury car at that price. Sure glad the PO kept
it garaged and was lazy enough that he didn't wax the original paint off
of it.
If you've been reading my *Cat-agin Vanagon* post you will know that I'm
down to considering a Waser Boxer just so this cat can have a supply of
Anti Freeze on the drive to lap up on her way to eternity.
Stan Wilder
83 Air Cooled Westfalia
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:35:38 -0400 "G. Matthew Bulley"
<gmbulley@bulley-hewlett.com> writes:
> Lighten up Stan... It's "Car Talk"... these guys goof on everything
> and
> everyone.
>
> They aren't out to ruin VW... but they are right, the Splittie did
> suck
> pretty badly. Remember they get their survey data from "Murky
> Research"
> and their staff statistician is "Marge N. O'vera"...
>
> Sheese... since 1996,
>
> G. Matthew Bulley
> Bulley-Hewlett
> Corporate Communications
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
> Behalf
> Of Stan Wilder
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:17 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: worst cars - van?
>
> I took a look at the site and I wouldn't put any importance at all
> on
> their selections.
> They've left off the #1 Worst the GMC Diesel Passenger Cars /
> Pickups of
> the 80s.
> They left off the Cadillac with the 4/6/8 engine and the 266 cid
> Aluminum
> block of the 83 year model.
> They left off the down sized Ford Thunderbirds of the 1976-79 and
> the
> LTD
> of the same era.
> I agree with the Chevette (mine had an Opal engine and tranny, got
> my
> money back on a class action lawsuit)
> Chrysler is barley represented and they've had a twenty year
> loosing
> streak.
> Jump into that Jag and replace the rear main seal every ten
> thousand
> miles at repoff prices or get a self destruct Datsun 300z of any
> year.
> The first Mazda Rotary (1970 I believe) was the first self destruct
> vehicle I cam remember.
> Lexus would have to go down as the most expensive to maintain past
> 20,000
> miles, with scheduled service intervals that cost $600.00 +.
> I don't know the source of their information but it appears that
> they've
> only chosen to choose older vehicles that were manufactured by
> companies
> not currently advertizing with them.
> If you disagree with those fools at http://cartalk.cars.com/ we can
> do
> our own survey and submit it and see what they come back with.
> You've already got my list above.
> It would be interesting to see where they got their information. I
> fully
> understand about the VW Van being on the list. A lot of perople had
> bad
> drug reactions back in the late sixties and seventies.
>
> Stan Wilder
> 1983 Westfalia Air Cooled
>
>
> On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:34:39 -0500 Chris Stann <ChrisS@INFORMS.COM>
> writes:
> > The VW bus is probably the only vehicle to make both the top 10
> > worst and
> > top 10 most loved vehicles in the world.
> >
> > Besides, I don't think they took into consideration ease of
> > maintenance, as
> > the Bus beats all the cars on the list.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Zappe" <Zapvw@AOL.COM>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 10:11 PM
> > Subject: worst cars - van?
> >
> >
> > > http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Worst-Cars/results1.html
> > >
> > > this was the news at the beginning of aol's site tonight.
> worst
> > cars of
> > the
> > > millenium. took a look and was surprised to see a vw bus
> listed
> > (actually
> > an
> > > awesome looking bus) as the 10th worst car of all time. can
> you
> > believe
> > > it????????? write them back and tell them how crazy that is!
> > >
> > > who in their right mind would ever think that? all the
> > idiosyncrasies are
> > > what make the car so endearing. none of the others on that
> list
> > have any
> > > kind of following or appeal to collectors, etc. as the vw bus.
> > >
> > > well so much for those helpless souls that don't know a good
> thing
> > when
> > they
> > > see it!
> > >
> > > andy zappe
> > > 80 vanagon L 263,000 mi.
> > > 85 westy 85,000 mi.
> > >
> >
>
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