Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:58:52 -0500
Reply-To: Marshall <mjruskin@SHAW.CA>
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From: Marshall <mjruskin@SHAW.CA>
Subject: Re: Now, Hold on there just a second..!
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Question: What is the meaning of "Freedom"? (Answer at the end.)
Regarding your post:
The message of your post is that Jews hold their own in low esteem.
Therefore, one can conclude that since they hold their own brethren in low
esteem, it justifies non-Jews to safely express anti-Jewish remarks without
fear of criticism
After all, if even Jews hate Jews so much, it must be OK to treat them
badly.
Your message just more hate, and it doesn't have anything to do with
Vanagons.
Now, why don't you attach a version of this message on your van, or on your
residential door, or on your business card, if you believe what you say?
I don't think you will, because it would have a personal consequence for
you.
You would be confronted by people who will directly challenge you, and you
would be frightened by that, ...isn't that right?
But you, and other people like you, always try to find a way to express
hatred behind a shield of some kind, to avoid the personal consequences, and
the fear. And the flip-side of freedom.
Sometimes your shield from the fear is a white sheet and mask, sometimes
it's the cover of darkness, other times it's a dark basement or beerhall..
Thing is, posting your message of hate here, does have a personal
consequence for you.
I now hold you in low esteem, and I know others do too.
Depending on how upset people are, you could:
1. lose your rights to post to the list;
2. face a concerted group of people who shun you.
***Answer to "What is the meaning of "Freedom"?
Freedom is a coin with two sides.
One side says, "freedom TO".
Everybody knows that side, you included - it's a simple mantra to
understand, and many have willingly died for it.
The flip-side says, "freedom FROM".
It's not so simple to understand, and it's meaning is totally lost on you.
This list supports freedom with both of it's sides.
Do you?
It's time to choose.
Marshall Ruskin
84 Westy
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Rodgers" <jhrodgers@MINDSPRING.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 04:24 PM
Subject: Now, Hold on there just a second..!
> At the risk of getting my flame suit burned to a crisp, and setting off
> a nuclear explosion among the politcally correct amongst this Vanagon
> crowd, to all the Spics, Chicanos, Pollacks, Black Irish, Frogs, Jews,
> Niggers, Whiteys, Arabs, Krauts, Gooks, Nordski's, Chinks, Redskins,
> Rooskys and whoever (who did I miss) and whatever else we are comprised
> of to make up the membership of this great list and this great country,
> I dedicate this next one.
>
> It is, after all, FryDaye!!
>
> John Rodgers
> 88 GL Drive
>
> *******
> Store window sign in Philly!!
>
> "WE WOULD RATHER DO BUSINESS WITH 1000 ARAB TERRORISTS THAN WITH A
> SINGLE JEW"
>
> This sign was prominently displayed in the window of a business in
> Philadelphia. Most would be outraged at the thought of such an
> inflammatory statement...
>
> One would think that anti-hate groups from all across the country
> would be marching on this business...
>
> And that the National Guard might have to be called to keep the
> angry
> crowds back...
>
> But, perhaps in these stressful times one might be tempted to let
> the
> proprietors simply make their statement...
>
> We are a society who holds Freedom of Speech as perhaps our
> greatest
> liberty... And after all it is just a sign....
>
> So what business would dare post such a
> sign?......................
>
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