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Date:         Thu, 16 May 2002 10:02:03 -0700
Reply-To:     Fryday <fryday@CALIFORNIA.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Fryday <fryday@CALIFORNIA.COM>
Subject:      Re: Just cause
In-Reply-To:  <007d01c1fcfa$b169a980$717bd63f@earthlink.net>
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i hope "hitler" is the good thread killer that it should be.

thanks,

philippe

On Thu, 16 May 2002 12:56:56 -0400 JM/CO <jmerritt2@CAPECOD.NET> wrote: > This type of "cover my own ass, and to hell with society in general" > attitude is what is allowing the further spread of Fascism in America. What > do you think the 1776 generation would have had to say about this? I don't > think they would go for it one bit. > How did Adolph Hitler & Co. gain control of Germany in the early '30s? The > PEOPLE let him. > Spending a night in the local slammer never really hurt anyone. You might > learn something about how America REALLY works these days. > The part of the Constitution which is under the most assault these days is > the 4th amendment, and it's being shredded rather rapidly by GW Bush & co > we have to make the country "safe" ), although Bill Clinton's bunch was not > without guilt either. If folks are being "profiled" for driving Westys, or > whatever, we are in deep trouble in this country. Don't give into this crap. > Tell the police ( politely, of course) where to put it. > Chuck > '83 Westy > '84 Jaguar XJ-6 VDP > '86 Buick Skyhawk Hatchback > -----Original Message----- > From: joseph Trussell <joetruss@HOTMAIL.COM> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Date: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:07 PM > Subject: Re: Just cause > > > >Outstanding. Give that speech to a southern cop. Then maybe the list will > >be nice enough to come up with your bail money. > > > >I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that it is how it is...You can > >talk about personal freedom all you want, but being from the Third World > >Republic of Louisiana, I've seen and heard of police doing far worse things > >to people than simply search their cars, for far less of an offense than > >being profiled. > > > >The freedom to not sit in a crappy little town's jail cell for a night for > >backtalk or assault or whatever the hell they decide to pin on you is worth > >the time for them to do a simple search. > > > >And while affecting change in the procedures of small-town cops on a > >grassroots level by being a smartass (in their views) and "politely > >declining" and possibly getting my ass thrown in jail for the greater good > >of personal freedoms for all drivers, YOU CAN HAVE IT. > > > >I'd rather be driving out of town. > > > >"A man gazing on the stars is proverbially at the mercy of the puddles in > >the road." --Alexander Smith > > > >Joe T. > >Denver, CO > >'85 GL 'bertha' > >'66 Westy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: DaveC <voicebox@DNAI.COM> > >Reply-To: DaveC <voicebox@DNAI.COM> > >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > >Subject: Just cause > >Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:35:36 -0700 > > > >>I was going cross country a couple of years ago in my last '85 GL, and > >>stopped in Dumas, TX to get gas and try to figure out why my clutch wasn't > >>engaging all the way...The sherriff and two deputies showed up at the gas > >>station where I was parked, probably noticed the "Widespread Panic" > sticker > >>on the back, and asked politely what I was doing and if they could search > >>my > >>vehicle. > >> > >>I obliged, and while they were searching I was busy finding the leak in my > >>clutch slave cylinder (they were very accomodating as far as me going > about > >>my business while they looked,) they did a quick run-through from front to > >>back, top to bottom, and told me I was free to go... > >> > >>Five days later, I was sitting in a beach parking lot in Pensacola Beach, > >>FL > >>eating a sandwich, and two bicycle cops rode up and asked if they could > >>take > >>a look; one of them asked me if I was smoking pot (I wasn't.) They looked > >>through the whole van, all my stuff, engine bay, etc. and didn't find > >>anything either. When they were finished, I asked them one question: > > > >-=-=-=- > > > >Why the *hell* would you consent to a voluntary search? The US > >constitution guarantees freedom from search where there is no just > >cause (something you're doing that raises their suspicions) to do so. > >(Eating a sandwich, and diagnosing a clutch problem, last time I > >looked, wasn't a suspicious behavior.) Your *guaranteed* freedoms as > >a US citizen does not require surrender of your freedom from > >unreasonable search. (Where's the logic in that?) > > > >These morons were practicing "profiling", the practice of legal > >prejudice. Don't make this kind of behavior acceptable. Politely and > >*firmly* decline the request. Every time. If they have just cause, > >they'll tell you so. If they have no just cause, they ask. Say "No". > > > >To consent to these searches makes it more and more likely that the > >others of us who don't consider owning a Vanagon just cause will be > >seen as "easy" targets by these goons. > > > >Freedom belongs only to those who choose to exercise them. The more > >you cave into fear, the fewer freedoms we all will have. > > > >Thanks for nothin'. > > > >Dave > >-- > >Dave Carpenter > > > >Whatever you wish for me, > >May you have twice as much. > > > >"Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think > >we're not. In either case the idea is quite staggering." -- Arthur C. > >Clarke > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >http://www.hotmail.com


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