Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:45:39 -0700
Reply-To: "Phil S." <napszeerf@YAHOO.COM>
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From: "Phil S." <napszeerf@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Just Cause
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--- Birkenfeld Jeff <BirkenfeldJeff@JOHNDEERE.COM>
wrote:
> Dave says:
> If he thinks he has just cause, he won't ask, he'll
> just search.
> The question that is posed in this thread is whether
> to *consent* to
> a search when *asked*. (If they have probable cause,
> they don't ask.)
> So if they ask, say NO!!! They *know* that if you
> say no, that is no
> basis for probable cause, and they cannot then
> search based on your
> answer.
>
> JB says:
> Dave, have you ever been asked by the police if they
> can search your
> vehicle? Again, I'll add that I've been searched 4
> times in 7 years and the
> one time I refused turned into pure roadside chaos
> with dogs and cops and
> the interior of my van strewn all over the roadside,
> they even removed the
> drivetrain to get the fuel tank...('69 bay).
> I hate to say it but if one refuses a police search,
> they are likely to be
> searched anyway by cops who are now highly
> suspicious...i.e. probable cause.
> I say you are right in your assessment of the
> legalities but there is also
> the "real" world where drug confiscation brings with
> it monetary value by
> way of vehicle/house/plane impounds that end up in
> auction with proceeds
> going to the agency which performed the
> confiscation. Happens all the time
> in my state of Missouri along I-44. The MSHP now
> owns more semis and SUV's
> than guns and generates more revenue from this than
> from speeding tickets.
>
> JB -never caught with anything but searched more
> than I'd like.
Yep they searched me too one weekday morn at 2AM. I
said "Sure you can, waste our time and tax dollars see
if I care". They only shined flash lights inside the
van cargo area. Then he started feeling my pant
pockets and thats when I said "HEY! I said you can
search my van but I didnt say you could search me, I
think you are violating my privacy here". So i think
he got scared becouse I acted more or less like a law
student. I got a fixxit ticket for driving with
expired tags(it was current although I didnt place the
sticker on the plate yet)
All and all I believe it depends on your district so
laws may vary. But it helps to have NO bumper
stickers,
short hair, and no piercings. (i had long hair,surfer-
type bumper stickers and a dirty van with a dented up
bumper/expired tags, again it was current although I
didnt place the sticker on the plate yet.
Cops are usually not too bright IMO...I mean, dont
they know criminal profiling is BS? I mean if im
smuggling any thing Id try to at least do it in a 95
Chevy Caprice. Only an idiot would smuggle drugs in a
DeadHeadmobile A.K.A Hippy Bus A.K.A
Stoner Bus, and many other stereotypes that I missed.
Phil
***84' Westy Tiico "Millenium Falcon"
***60' Morris Mini1340CC(for sale)
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