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Date:         Fri, 17 May 2002 07:33:24 -0400
Reply-To:     David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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From:         David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject:      Re: Radar detector
Comments: To: developtrust <developtrust@COX.NET>
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At 03:09 PM 5/16/2002, developtrust wrote: >I know a man who sold radar detectors. The fact is (he said) that none of >them worked. Snake oil would work better. > >William

I see you haven't owned one... <g> There are various distinctions:

Passive vs superheterodyne -- the former have disappeared completely AFAIK. The Escort from Cincinnati Microwave was one of the first examples of the superhet type, if that helps give you a time line. Passive types aren't very good.

Frequency coverage -- early speed radar used continuously-transmitting X-band (10.525 GHz) with considerable power (8 watts or more). These units aren't in common use any more but I've encountered them in Michigan and southern New Jersey -- each time detectable from miles away on clear road. Modern radar is either K-band (24.150 GHz) or Ka-band (33.4-36 GHz). Both use much lower power and many/most can be used in a mode where the unit doesn't transmit until the officer is looking at you and pushes the button. Modern radars can determine speed in a fraction of a second, so if you happen to be the guy in front the detector will light up like a pinball machine and tell you that you've just been bagged. If there's someone ahead of you the detector will often/usually detect the splash off that vehicle when it gets read, and you have a chance to briefly evaluate your life choices before you get the direct beam. The latest development isn't strictly radar at all -- it's LIDAR; I forget the acronym but it's a laser device that does successive range-finding using an infrared laser and calculates speed (very rapidly) from that. Unlike radar which has a noticeable beam spread, LIDAR has very little spread and uses a gunsight so that the officer can be quite specific (under most circumstances) about precisely which vehicle he was pointing at. Police love to use these from overpasses at about a half-mile range, with a chase car(s) hidden below. They don't work well in rain and fog, but they also are very hard to detect -- the beam bounces off the vehicle ahead like a flashlight beam, and there's an excellent chance that the reflections aren't headed your way. Modern detectors will detect all these bands, including laser -- but the laser part is much more likely to tell you that you've just been nailed than that you're about to be.

Camouflage -- a working radar detector like all superheterodyne receivers contains a small transmitter, and the police have a device that listens for it. Of course that device, being a superhet receiver itself makes its own little noise; and fancier detectors will listen for that and shut down when they detect it. They aren't working at that point, but at least you don't get bagged for having one in the car (in case that's not permitted where you are). Also, permitted or not they do make the polizei soggy and hard to light, so it's good politics not to have little things stuck to your windshield when you're talking to The Man.

Active interferers -- there are various devices that attempt to confuse the machine at the other end. Generally highly illegal, I'd hate to get caught with one. The Federal government has a very distinct notion that the famous American right to receive freely from the airwaves does *not* include the right to transmit freely; lasers aren't covered by that but at least some states have laws against interfering with police speed-detection by any method whether active or passive.

False alarms -- these things are just little radio receivers. They don't know there's a policeman on the other end of that signal; quite often it's a supermarket door opener. There are some patterns the user can observe that help distinguish speed radar, but false alarms are a fact of life.

Sociology -- the police, not being stupid, have become aware that triggering off a speed radar is normally followed by flashing brake lights. This is so effective that highway departments have taken to mounting K-band transmitters on construction warning signs, because it makes the people slow down. If you see a (powered) construction sign with what looks like a little silver floodlight hanging from the bottom, that's what it is. The radar-detector people, eager to show that they are a Social Good, have leaped on this with glad cries and developed a set of signal codes to be transmitted by ambulances, fire trucks, construction sites etc. etc. The detector I use believes in 64 distinct safety codes (deer in road -- deer in rut -- rutting deer in road -- Bambi -- possible grease spot under next overpass etc) and will speak them aloud. If you have time on your hands it will speak them all one after another.

Overall -- in about 20 years of using these things I have unquestionably saved several tickets, as well as numerous detections when I was perfectly legal. I've also unquestionably been nailed several times with the needle on the wrong side of the line, but I was within the officer's tolerance that day and didn't get stopped. I've also listened to about 20,000 false alarms. Not sure whether the detectors have cost more than the tickets would have (I think less), but I don't have any points on my license.

cheers david

-- David Beierl - Providence, RI http://pws.prserv.net/synergy/Vanagon/ '84 Westy "Dutiful Passage" '85 GL "Poor Relation"


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