Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:02:03 -0700
Reply-To: Fryday <fryday@CALIFORNIA.COM>
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From: Fryday <fryday@CALIFORNIA.COM>
Subject: Re: Just cause
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i hope "hitler" is the good thread killer that it should be.
thanks,
philippe
On Thu, 16 May 2002 12:56:56 -0400
JM/CO <jmerritt2@CAPECOD.NET> wrote:
> This type of "cover my own ass, and to hell with society in general"
> attitude is what is allowing the further spread of Fascism in America. What
> do you think the 1776 generation would have had to say about this? I don't
> think they would go for it one bit.
> How did Adolph Hitler & Co. gain control of Germany in the early '30s? The
> PEOPLE let him.
> Spending a night in the local slammer never really hurt anyone. You might
> learn something about how America REALLY works these days.
> The part of the Constitution which is under the most assault these days is
> the 4th amendment, and it's being shredded rather rapidly by GW Bush & co
> we have to make the country "safe" ), although Bill Clinton's bunch was not
> without guilt either. If folks are being "profiled" for driving Westys, or
> whatever, we are in deep trouble in this country. Don't give into this crap.
> Tell the police ( politely, of course) where to put it.
> Chuck
> '83 Westy
> '84 Jaguar XJ-6 VDP
> '86 Buick Skyhawk Hatchback
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joseph Trussell <joetruss@HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Date: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Just cause
>
>
> >Outstanding. Give that speech to a southern cop. Then maybe the list will
> >be nice enough to come up with your bail money.
> >
> >I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that it is how it is...You can
> >talk about personal freedom all you want, but being from the Third World
> >Republic of Louisiana, I've seen and heard of police doing far worse things
> >to people than simply search their cars, for far less of an offense than
> >being profiled.
> >
> >The freedom to not sit in a crappy little town's jail cell for a night for
> >backtalk or assault or whatever the hell they decide to pin on you is worth
> >the time for them to do a simple search.
> >
> >And while affecting change in the procedures of small-town cops on a
> >grassroots level by being a smartass (in their views) and "politely
> >declining" and possibly getting my ass thrown in jail for the greater good
> >of personal freedoms for all drivers, YOU CAN HAVE IT.
> >
> >I'd rather be driving out of town.
> >
> >"A man gazing on the stars is proverbially at the mercy of the puddles in
> >the road." --Alexander Smith
> >
> >Joe T.
> >Denver, CO
> >'85 GL 'bertha'
> >'66 Westy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: DaveC <voicebox@DNAI.COM>
> >Reply-To: DaveC <voicebox@DNAI.COM>
> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >Subject: Just cause
> >Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:35:36 -0700
> >
> >>I was going cross country a couple of years ago in my last '85 GL, and
> >>stopped in Dumas, TX to get gas and try to figure out why my clutch wasn't
> >>engaging all the way...The sherriff and two deputies showed up at the gas
> >>station where I was parked, probably noticed the "Widespread Panic"
> sticker
> >>on the back, and asked politely what I was doing and if they could search
> >>my
> >>vehicle.
> >>
> >>I obliged, and while they were searching I was busy finding the leak in my
> >>clutch slave cylinder (they were very accomodating as far as me going
> about
> >>my business while they looked,) they did a quick run-through from front to
> >>back, top to bottom, and told me I was free to go...
> >>
> >>Five days later, I was sitting in a beach parking lot in Pensacola Beach,
> >>FL
> >>eating a sandwich, and two bicycle cops rode up and asked if they could
> >>take
> >>a look; one of them asked me if I was smoking pot (I wasn't.) They looked
> >>through the whole van, all my stuff, engine bay, etc. and didn't find
> >>anything either. When they were finished, I asked them one question:
> >
> >-=-=-=-
> >
> >Why the *hell* would you consent to a voluntary search? The US
> >constitution guarantees freedom from search where there is no just
> >cause (something you're doing that raises their suspicions) to do so.
> >(Eating a sandwich, and diagnosing a clutch problem, last time I
> >looked, wasn't a suspicious behavior.) Your *guaranteed* freedoms as
> >a US citizen does not require surrender of your freedom from
> >unreasonable search. (Where's the logic in that?)
> >
> >These morons were practicing "profiling", the practice of legal
> >prejudice. Don't make this kind of behavior acceptable. Politely and
> >*firmly* decline the request. Every time. If they have just cause,
> >they'll tell you so. If they have no just cause, they ask. Say "No".
> >
> >To consent to these searches makes it more and more likely that the
> >others of us who don't consider owning a Vanagon just cause will be
> >seen as "easy" targets by these goons.
> >
> >Freedom belongs only to those who choose to exercise them. The more
> >you cave into fear, the fewer freedoms we all will have.
> >
> >Thanks for nothin'.
> >
> >Dave
> >--
> >Dave Carpenter
> >
> >Whatever you wish for me,
> >May you have twice as much.
> >
> >"Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think
> >we're not. In either case the idea is quite staggering." -- Arthur C.
> >Clarke
> >
> >
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