Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 01:34:09 -0500
Reply-To: "Terry K." <CTONLINE@WEBTV.NET>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: "Terry K." <CTONLINE@WEBTV.NET>
Subject: Re: True Grit---
In-Reply-To: "Karl Wolz" <wolzphoto@worldnet.att.net>'s message of Mon, 27 May
2002 23:29:45 -0700
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Ahhhh--they are probably direct from Deutschland via Nepal, or
Tiawan--just like the genuine Fatherland hubcaps from China---
Remember?
E-mail message
Hey TK,
What's wrong with Ron and Ken's nuts?
Karl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry K." <CTONLINE@WEBTV.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: True Grit---
Ok--I changed my mind----
Lifetime roadside assitance, and no less than an 8" elbow, Polish air
conditioning PVC air scoop, hanging out the rear window, and the bicycle
it's pictured with, and you have a deal----
And one more clause---all the lug nuts have to be new--and I want to see
the receipts for them from a reputable source, like direct from VW
E-mail message
That is the one I drive ..............
So start naming parts and most likely I'll be able to tell you that its
new on that Westy.
I see generic 80-83 Air Cooled being sold as buyer beware in the
$6500.00 range and I just know that I'd sell this one to God without any
remorse. Guarantees ....... not likely. I see the way the rest of the
world behaves on the Interstate Highways. I can't remember ever turning
the engine over 4000 Rpms and I read on the list that people think they
have a sweet spot at 4500 on an Air Cooled ......... yes sure, the cam
dies at 4200. If somebody pays my price they'll take care of that Westy
or ask Daddy for money to fix it.
The others I've sold were in the $3500.00 range and might have brought
more if they had already been on the West Coast. Stan
On Tue, 28 May 2002 00:22:20 -0500 (CDT) CTONLINE@webtv.net (Terry K.)
writes:
You don't try and make a killing?
The green Weenie is advertised on you web page for $10500.00------ Does
this include a lifetime towing, road assistance, and bumper to bumper
warrantee?
Gott in Himmel---
Du Bist Verruckt !!!
E-mail message From Stan Wilder
My Westy out front must mean I buy Vanagons. I normally have two Westies
in the drive, my personal unit and one I'm restoring so they think I'll
but theirs and they try to sell them to me. I've turned down every Waser
Boxer that was offered to me and one was an 89 Wolfsburg that was a
beauty, I turned it down at $800.00 and the guy that bought it got it
for $650.00.
I didn't even give it a good look see but externally and the interior
was very nice, showing about 88K on the speedo. I know I could have
parted it out for a profit but my neighborhood is 250K homes and I'm
just not going to crap on my neighbors by parting out a van from my
home.
The problem is that:
#1) I'm way,way upside down in my 83 Air Cooled Westy. #2) The Wolfsburg
was just a 7 person hauler, not much demand in Texas. #3) I'm sitting on
enough parts to restore about any 80-83 Air Cooled Westy that comes my
way.
#4) I know that the Waser Boxer engine requires expert rebuilding and I
don't have the equipment or experience to do a rebuild. #5) Just
generally speaking the Vanagons are just not popular in Texas and have
"Zip 0" resale value.
Certainly there will be Waser Boxer Vanagon owners in Texas that will
disagree but I just speak from what I see. The first thing I get from a
Waser Boxer seller is several price reductions immediately. I've never
had to discount one of my restored Westies. Course I don't try to make a
killing on them either.
Stan
On Tue, 28 May 2002 00:05:00 -0400 jhlauterbach <jhlauterbach@MSN.COM>
writes:
Stan, you are most correct. When I bought my '84 in May '97, I paid $500
+
30 sales tax. I have spent over $5K over the past 5 years getting it in
shape, and I still have a paint job to do. Of course, I have driven it
to/from work most of the time that I have had the van. John Lauterbach
Macon, GA
'84 7-passenger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: True Grit---
It was not my intention to strike fear in the hearts of every Vanagon
and
Westy owner with my statement about spending your purchase price again
within a year of buying your vehicle.
I've never purchased an Air Cooled Vanagon and Westy from a list member
and most of the people that sell the vans are just members of the
general public and are not list members. I've found that the sellers
have just reached their maximum level of
endurance for keeping their vehicle running. In many cases of Westies
I've purchased to resurrect or Vanagons I purchased for an economical
parts source the vehicles have had extensive and expensive repairs and
maintenance done on them by local and even authorized VW dealers. I find
one new head or often a VW Factory rebuilt engine and all kinds of signs
of recent new fuel pumps, ignition systems, brakes and every other
potential repair.
The glove box often has a good supply of repair tickets and parts
receipts.
Along with the stack of receipts I find many potential reasons for the
engine failure, this list is lengthy but I'll list a few; Engine Seal
Missing, Muffler Heat Shield Missing, Dropped Valve Seats, Hammered out
Valve seats, leaking cylinders, over tightened lifters, jumpers on the
full throttle switch, massive vacuum leaks everywhere, wrong spark wires
and wrong spark plugs, running Automatic Transmission Oil with the
engine oil to quieten lifters, running 10/30 motor oil.. Since I don't
pay retail on these dead units it is very easy to double my investment
very quickly if I have to buy new parts to bring them back to a safe
dependable vehicle.
I quickly doubled my investment on my 83 Westy after I bought it in
1995. I'm guilty of driving it like a normal car, pushing the speed,
overworking the engine and just in general making those miles without
really knowing anything about the proper care and maintenance. After I
blew #3 cylinder and bought a new set of heads in 1996 I started getting
a little smarter and started taking care of the little things before
they *stopped me in my tracks*,
I managed to get 140K out of the existing, recently rebuilt engine after
the above repairs over a periods of four years. I nearly wore out the
roads to the lakes and 500 miles a weekend was never a problem. I
managed to log a lot of miles going to Vicksburg MS and lots of trips to
Houston from Dallas.
I require myself to say this ......... If I had known how a really
good
rebuilt engine would improve the vehicle, I'd have installed one the day
after I bought the Westy.
I suffered through about five years with just marginal performance and a
fair amount of tinkering trying to peak out a marginal engine. Stan
Wilder
83 Air Cooled Westfalia
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